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| 7 season of Riker; The only Trek I didn't watch | |
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| Topic Started: 17 Feb 2009, 14:07 (1,303 Views) | |
| sipovic | 17 Feb 2009, 14:07 Post #1 |
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Well, after almost 2 month of meditations, moral and physical preparations I'm ready to finish with Star Trek TV shows, with the only one I didn't see - The Next Generation. About 2 years ago I've already saw first season of the show, but now can barely remeber anything so I thing I could recreate my first thoughts about it during rewatch but I'll try to be short on 1st season. After long thinking of what bums I should use to grade the show, I decide to use untraditional kind of bum. :biggrin: Hope it wouldn't offend anybody. 1x01-02 Encounter at Farpoint I obviously made a mistake when I told that VOY pilot was the worst. After rewatching this episode I'm sure that "Encounter at Farpoint" withoutdoubt the worst Trek pilot episode ever. Gene Roddenberry could manage to make each posiible mistake in it. First of all, the whole plot itself was a garbage. The story about godlike alien who decided for some reason to judge humanity founding on ancient history didn't make any sense. Especially since it is almost 100 years after TOS where humanity was established as evolved. And instead of beginning big story arc we get 30 minutes of boring court scenes which also was extremely distasteful (asians, midgets, people with uzi, my god, even TOS worst episodes didn't have such problems with taste ). As for the part that happened at Farpoint it was mostly very slow and boring. I still surprised how it was possible to make 90 minute pilot without any action at all. As for the crew, nobody really impressed me except Picard I suppose. I couldn't saw that I really like him very much, but I really enjoyed of wonderful playing and his ability to maintain dignity despity all circus which happen around him and his disliking kids went as a bonus. For the rest - La Forge and Worf had only few lines, Data already looked as the most promising character but also didn't get a lot screen time. Despite my strong negative about Riker (after our favorite ENT episode) I must admit that in total he looked normally here except overusing facial grimaces (and bizarre without The Beard). Most my complains are about women part od the crew. I didn't get anything against (or for) Doc Crusher but I was very annoyed by both Tasha Yar (inadequate security officer who screamed and do stupid things all the time) and Deanna Troi (which only purpose in this episode was only mumbling and made frightened eyes). And of course I simply hate Wesley Crusher. As positive moment there were only few - Patric Stewart acting, small but pleasing cameo of admiral McCoy (even if I didn't understand how doctor could became an admiral and the most important - why?) little role of Calm Meaney as a redshirt and the scene of Data whistling. I really sorry for the poor people who waited almost 20 years for the new Star Trek TV show and got this... 3/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x03 The Naked Now Better then previous but still a mediocre episode. I like that they used TOS "Naked Time" episode but I don't think it was a smart move to put episode where all crew humiliated themselves this way as second since we still didn't know them.I was amused by Data and Picard here but all other stories (especially Wesley Crusher took over the ship) were stupid and non funny at the same time. This "Remake" wasn't even as half as good as TOS original version 4/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x04 Code of Honor OMG! What a appalling farce it was! I don't know what happen in producer mind to actually air this garbage but I barely survive a story about idiotically acting aliens in stupid clothes which kidnapped Tasha Yar to make her their chief wife and after 30 minute of boring and exhausting diplomacy all this eventually ended in catfight on some ridiculous ring with stupid weapon. It was silly even by standarts of 60th. 1/10 Posted Image Edited by sipovic, 17 Feb 2009, 14:17.
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 17 Feb 2009, 15:05 Post #2 |
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Heh! There certainly weren't any good bums on TNG. Perhaps Denise Crosby's. Certainly not Sirtis's. Whoever put her in a catsuit should be flogged. Aaaanyway, I pretty much agree with all that you wrote. But I'd probably give The Naked Now a grade of 2 or 3. As far as Picard goes, I cannot help notice that what does the French Captain do on his first mission when confronted with an adversary? Surrender! :lol2: |
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| sipovic | 18 Feb 2009, 03:22 Post #3 |
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Yep. Somebody must be put in jail for that. As for Denise Crosby, first she will disappear during first season (and I'm really glad of this) and second despite that he bum may be even ok, she extremely displease me and I can't use the bum of person who I don't like in my grades. I have certain principles :biggrin: ! As for the French captain, it is interesting could he speak french as good as he spoke English :cookiemonster: ? Edited by sipovic, 18 Feb 2009, 03:24.
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| sipovic | 18 Feb 2009, 11:59 Post #4 |
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1x05 The Last Outpost This episode begun promising with first federation encounter with Ferengi(despite very bad and cheap space battle realisation) and it was pretty intersting when both ships lost their energy. It is funny but Picard decided to surrender. For the 2nd time in 5 episodes. Is it new starfleet politics? :wtf: As for ferengi I found their behaviour to mannered and even more grotesque than their usual apperances even if their nature of traders wasn't really developed here. As soon both teams beamed up to the surface and met godlike alien who immidiately decided to judge them but this time starring Riker as advocate of humanity it was immidiately lost to me. Well, at least Wesley Crusher didn't save the day and they have a great joke when Data stucked in chinese puzzle. 4/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x06 Where No One Has Gone Before The plot of this episode is absolutely absurdic. What could possibly posessed starfleet to try to upgrade the engines of their flagman ship when they didn't even undrestand the principles of this upgrades? From the beginning it was obvious that Kosinski was a crook of somekind. And when Enterprise travelled to the place where everybody begun to see hallucinations thing even gets worse. Puppies, grandmothers and orchestras was boring! :yuck: And again the only one who could save the day among big crew of starfleet best officers was the only one annoying teenager in ugly sweater. Damn! He even got a rank of ensign. :banghead: 2/10 Posted ImagePosted Image 1x07 Lonely Among Us Rather forgetable episode of the period when alien posessions were still fancy. this particular episode wasn't good since nothing really happened here except crewmembers acted like zombies one by one. The story about small little lightning who tried to go home nether amused or pleased me THe only interesting thing I saw was Calm Meaney (as Security Guard #1)) in yellow shirt this time. It looks like he didn't decide at that moment what kind of carier he want to pursue... 3/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x08 Justice One of the most loathsome Trek episode I've ever saw. :puke: It was never so hard to resist the urge to turn this garbage off since VOY's "Tuvix"! Pathetic paradise - like society of half naked photomodels and athlets which doing nothing except gigling and running around without purpose, godlike alien again (it looks like Roddenberry really liked this kind of stuff) and again it must be Wesley Crusher who got himself in trouble by dropping ball in bush and must be executed for this because death is the only penalty for any mistake.I almost applaud when Picard convinced "God" to allow them to beam aboard their ship with pep - talk. Everything in this episode was so lame and unbelievable that I hardly survived thru this horror. 1/10 Posted Image |
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| Reanok | 19 Feb 2009, 09:45 Post #5 |
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Justice is a terrible show. Other TNG cast members have said how much they disliked it.Recently Jonathan Frakes said in a interview how much he disliked it. He said it was a very lousy show those were his words .
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| sipovic | 19 Feb 2009, 13:25 Post #6 |
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1x09 The Battle This episode was better than previous, the problem is it was too obvious. Of course ferengi didn't give first Picard starship just for free and of course headaches was not without reason and of course the log with Picard confession about destoying ferengi vessel was falsified. At least now I know that Picard has other tricks in his sleeve except surrender ( I refer to Picard's maneuver). And ferengi in this episode acted more like traditional ferengi (even tried to acquire Data). But I again was disappointed that they didn't make a normal battle scene between USS Stargazer and Enterprise (it looks like somebody didn't want to spend money on this show) and since there were no real intrigue I can't count this episode higher than 5/10. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x10 Hide and Q It looks like it would never be a good reason for Q to appear in ant Trek shows :worried: . First time he judged humanity without any particular reason this time he wants to make give Q-powers to Riker (why Riker, I still don't know) also for very dobtful reasons of understanding humanity. I was pleased that John de Lancie begun to act like Q I know( he was pretty stiff in pilot) and have few good scenes with crew but again the whole episode didn't look good. Allusions on Q as devil were too obvious (appearance as 3 snakes and then as a monk, tempting Riker in the Desert? Come on!) and the whole "last temptation of Riker" didn't pleased me too much (and I must say Frakes acting also didn't help it). Everything was too wooden and preachy and not belivable. I couldn't believe that in 5 minutes Riker turned from dutiful officer to corrupted superhuman and the fact that Wesley Crusher didn't want to be 10 years older and Data didn't want to became a full blooded human was enough to prove his wrong. I wonde what Picard and other said if Riker ressuct few dead children and or give a vacine from some dealy dease. Will they deny this gifts too? In total Roddenbery decided to play safe and lost for the 10th time this season. 3/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x11 Haven I have a question. Are human parents the only ones in star trek who didn't marry their own children and allow them to make their own choises when they'll grow up? I can understand why vulcans do it but why bethazoids need such thing? First Deanna Troi centered episode was truly awful. What a hell? It was least than half a season, we barely know character and it is already a marriage. I was annoyed by sudden tension between Riker and Troi from the beginning of this episode. Yes, they mentioned in pilot that romance took place between them in past but after pilot it was forgotten and have no continuance and I thought they relationships wouldn't be an issue at least for few seasons, but here 10 episodes lates somebody turned switch on and suddenly they have some broken heart problems. And character switching on/off (I fed up with that on VOY) is the thing which I hate much more than reset button and other Trek-clishes. :banghead: As additional bonus we got 45 minutes of Rwaxana Troy (another "briliant" invention of Roddenberry :ensor: ), one of the worst (or may be the worst) character in Star Trek. It needs only a few moment for her to begun to irritate me! And second plot with Deanna's fiance seeing another woman in his dream was also very boring and unbelievable. And appearance of alien ship with this woman with explanation like "this is destiny" sounded pathetiv. In total bad episode with a quality of b-class soap opera. 1/10 Posted Image |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 19 Feb 2009, 15:53 Post #7 |
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Generally, season one of TNG was pretty abysmal. |
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| sipovic | 20 Feb 2009, 14:25 Post #8 |
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1x12 The Big Goodbye The first ever Holodeck mulfunction episode was agreedable. I liked the world of Dixon Hill, the detective from 40th. Even if story wasn't extremely dynamic it still had it nice moments. Data in mob suit was hilarious and Gates Mcfadden also looked very nice in her attire. I also was pleased to see Lawrence Tierney as mobster boss. The episdoe could be better if there wasn't b-plot with some aliens who take offence easily if they hasn't been adressed properly and they way Picard defeated holograms by simply allowing them to leave holochamber looked too easy but in total I think it was the first adequate episode so far. 6/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x13 Datalore After first normal episode went first really good episode. Brent Spiner simply stole the show. His pefomance as both Data and Lore was remarkable by any standarts. Their dialogues as both their personalities were perfect. It was very nice that having human emotions Lore got arrogance, anger and ambitions and really was more like human than android. And of course I liked his nerve twitch. Which I didn't like that it again was Wesley Crusher who was the only one who can figure out that Lore was impostor in starfleet uniform, but I liked when Picard told him to shut up and even Lore found boy Crusher annoying. I didn't care much about plot with entity feeding on life which Lore summoned but I found good that Lore escaped with it (and I hope he'll appear again in next seasons) and also I noted that during attack of this entity bridge begun to shake (or to be correct camera begun to shake) which was step in right direction. And I almost forgot to mention very nice segments with Data. In first of them he tried to learn how sneeze and in second shown doctor Crusher his "turn off" button. In total despite minuses it was first TNG episode which I really enjoyed. 8/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image Edited by sipovic, 20 Feb 2009, 14:29.
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| sipovic | 23 Feb 2009, 14:19 Post #9 |
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1x14 Angel One A horrible piece of crap! The story about male bashing society was awful and boring. The visions of Riker in "sexy" outfit will chase me in nightmares for some time and with the b-plot about rest of the crew got sick almost put me in coma. The only bright moment was a constant mention of Romulans which I was eager to see but as I supposed they never appeared. :hissyfit: 1/10 Posted Image 1x15 11001001 I have a mixed feelings about this one. From one side I liked to see all the crew off duty during upgrade of Enterprise except Picard and Riker of course (it proves again that main charaters in trek simply doesn't know how rest and enjoy themselves) and walked around without real purpose. I liked Riker played the trumpet and his interactions with hologirl without doubt was better than pathetic love story of previous episode. And of course a scene where blind man learn android how to paint was hilarious. But the reasons why Binaries stole Enterprise looked to unreasonable. It was really unbelivable that such advaced race couldn't build a computer to store all their information and Enterprise was the only available option. And even then it looked much simpler to ask for help and I'm sure that Picard would help them. So with such plot holes I can't count it higher than 5/10. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x16 Too Short a Season It looks like that the only reason why they made this episode was to show how old man(admiral Jameson) transforming into young man. And the realisation of it was horrible. The masks which actor wore which suppose to show his rejuvenation process looked awful and unrealistic and barely reminded human. As for the plot it looked insane for Federation diplomat to give to hostile groups a weapons as a solution to resolve peace. Reminded me about monkey with a gun... The only real interesting thing which happened in this episode was the first phaser skirmish in TNG. 2/10 Posted ImagePosted Image |
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| sipovic | 24 Feb 2009, 13:34 Post #10 |
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1x17 When the Bough Breaks Another nasty episode. It is imposible to believe that somewhere there is a super advanced race which could hide planet from scanner but couldn't deal with procreation problem. So what was they only option? Of course to steal a 12 children from Enterprise! It without doubt save their civilization! :banghead: My god! Did all TNG scriptwriters wrote all this plots in 5 minutes during smokebreaks?? :hissyfit: Half of episode was wasted on Wesley Crusher (of course he is the most precious among them!) struggle with superior aliens which was pathetic and another part was spend on whinning of their parents on ship which was even more pathetic since actors didn't make their job very good. Another 45 minutes of waste! :no: 1/10 Posted Image |
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| sipovic | 25 Feb 2009, 12:34 Post #11 |
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1x18 Home Soil The unknown force which killed terraphormist at the beginning episode reminded me of TOS "Devil in the dark" but more crude and primitive. But as soon this aliens was portrayed as light bulb under glass it lost it charm :X . And everything happened too fast. In 10 minutes Picard managed to win a war against this aliens and even give sickly-sweet speech full of pathos about necessity of peaceful negotiation(which ironically he was able to get only by force). I also was amused by the fact that aliens will deal with Federation after 3 centuries. I wonder how did they chhose such time limits? 3/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x19 Coming of Age Even if it wasn't the worst TNG episode it without doubt got one of the worst(the right words - illiterately written) scripts I've ever saw. At first Admiral and commander came to Enterprise and begun an investigation with motivation "something wrong with Enterprise" and when they terrorized ships crew for almost full episode and predictably found nothing, admiral claimed that he visited Picard because "something threats Federation" and he want to make Picard admiral and he said "no". What a hell? Was it a script on a excuse to stole another hour from my life? :oscar: And B-plot with Wesley Crusher tried to pass exams into starfleet was also bad and I personally found it apalling that some teenager clown in ugly sweater got almost same screen time as 2 main characters of the show, especiall without any reason since he neither good actor or interesting character. The only good thing in this episode, Worf got more then his usual 30 seconds of screentime and even managed to reveal a little of his pesonality (his fear to depend on others). I added one grade for it. 2/10 Posted ImagePosted Image 1x20 Heart of Glory I enjoyed first TNG Klingon episode. Even if here Klingons were shown a little quieter, calmer and politer than usual still they looked nice. Vaughn Armstrong as captain Korris did a very good job. His scenes with Worf were without doubt best here. This episode finally gave some deepness to a Worf as a character and for the first time in this season Michael Dorn made really notable perfomance. And it was really great when he killed (and not stunned) Korris when he tried escaped from cell. And finally some money were spend on this episode. Here were almost all - corridors of almost destroyed ship, a ship explosion, normal phaser fight and even a stunt with falling from high. A nice change from constant boring talking of previous episodes. An of course I liked Klingon bury ritual. 7/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x21 The Arsenal of Freedom An normal episode with not very impressive story (superweapon which killed its creators and now tried to kill Picard and the crew) but with some good moments. I didn't care too much about part which happen on planet, except Picard/Dr. Crusher few nice moments and scene where Riker tried to assure hologram that he is from starship "Lollipop" (he must be a captain of this ship :guffaw: ). But I really enjoyed space part with LaForge in Command for the first time and how he dealt with stress and managed to destroy space part of the weapon. It is really good thing that smaller characters finally begun to get a screen time to show themselves. I may count this episode lower but just a single thought about Commander Riker from starship "Lollipop" :rofl: ( from now on I'm personaly believeing that it was exactly the ship that we saw in ENT's TATV instead of Enterprise) didn't give me a chance to grade it less than 6/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image Edited by sipovic, 25 Feb 2009, 12:37.
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| Oldguyy | 25 Feb 2009, 14:05 Post #12 |
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Sipovic. "On the good ship Lollipop" was a song sung by Shirly temple in a movie from the 30's. One of the writers must have either been older or had seen it somewhere. Temple was about five when she sang it in the movie. So, riker was having an in-Joke moment on the holodeck. Edited by Oldguyy, 25 Feb 2009, 14:07.
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| sipovic | 26 Feb 2009, 12:40 Post #13 |
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I was pretty sure that Riker told it with some meaning. But I prefer to see a hand of destiny in his remark :thumbsup: Edited by sipovic, 26 Feb 2009, 13:44.
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| sipovic | 26 Feb 2009, 12:49 Post #14 |
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1x22 Symbiosis Another slow and unintelligible episode on "actual" subject. It was a bit funny at first when Enterprise tried to help to a captain of the ship which didn't know anything about space but as soon the story take a form as "captain Picard versus damn junkies" it absolutely lost me. I especially found amusing that Picard felt free to judge alien "junkies" and "drug dealers" but then covered himself by Prime Directive to actually do nothing about this situation. I really can't understand this - I thought that prime directive applied only on interfering with natural developing of pre-warp societies and have nothing to do with help to advanced race. And as apotheosis of hypocracy was Tasha Yar's speech "kids, don't do drugs!". So this is how Roddenberry dealt with serious topics in 80th? :shrug: 2/10 I also noticed a funny moment - in the one of the last scenes when Picard and Doctor Crusher left cargo bay I saw Tasha Yar on background and she WAVED to camera! I don't know why she did it but look kinda bizarre. ANd I like bizarre! :cookiemonster: Posted ImagePosted Image 1x23 Skin of Evil Not really good episode which had only one real meaning - to kill Tasha YAr. I personally liked the way she died - fast, poitless and meaningless which was exactly how her Tasha "lived" on the show. I never liked her character and she took away precious time from Worf (since their function was the same) and she slowed down his development. Ad since he is much more interesting character than her and now took a post Chief of Security I expect to see much more of Worf in next season. Here in TNG I like him much more than in DS9. As for the plot there practically weren't any. Just an evil slime get bored and tried to entertained himself. I was amused at first by slime appearance (since he looked like he just escaped somewhere from TOS) but as soon it became obvious that he hadn't any reason to humiliate crew or any motive except "i'm godlike and I'm evil" he stopped to amuse me. 4/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image Edited by sipovic, 26 Feb 2009, 12:52.
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 26 Feb 2009, 14:32 Post #15 |
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They kinda perverted the original meaning of the Prime Directive in TNG. One of the reasons I'm not that fond of 24th century Trek.
She waved because that was the last filming of Denise Crosby. They shot this episode after Skin of Evil, but it was aired before. Thus, this was Crosby's own little farewell gesture. |
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| sipovic | 28 Feb 2009, 06:41 Post #16 |
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1x24 We'll Always Have Paris The episode about Picard's "lost love". In the best trek romance per hour traditions it was slow and uneventful. And of course there were a zero chemistry between Picard and Karen Manheim. ANd constant interference of Deanna TRoi which sensed emotions of Picard and Dr. Crusher and her annoying attempts to force them to spek about it made it look like soap opera much more than star trek. 2/10 Posted ImagePosted Image 1x25 Conspiracy I liked the idea of conspiracy, but I wasn't satisfied with it realisation. First of all it would be much more simpler and belivable if conspiracy was between starfleet officers and without stupid alien slims, but I suppose that Roddenbery didn't allow it because of his love to the "Perfect Future" :duh: . Second of all, I think such story deserved at least two hour episode or even small story arc in few episodes but not just 45 minutes. ANd because of that all episode went in great rush and events happened just too fast. And because of that "Conspiracy" hadn't a real suspence. What I liked was how Riker outsmarted aliens and saved Picard and I thought everything would be otherwise. ANd when Riker and Picard blew up the head of the genaral cospirator it was also unexpected but funny :explode: . But anyway for such potentialy big story realisation was too simple to rate it higher than 6/10 . Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image 1x26 The Neutral Zone As soon as I heard "Romulance" I put a big expectations on this episode, but it was one big disappoitment. Instead of concentrating on possibility of Federation/Romulan war they concentrated on ridiculous b-plot about frozen people from 20 century. THey were too grotesque and really not funny. Even Picard was annoyed that he must spend his valuable time in critical situation to this nonsense. As for the romulans. I really liked a design of their ship and even if their new uniforms wasn't really impressive still it was better then their old "chess board" style uniform. ANd of course I was pleased to see Marc Alaimo as Romulan commander. But when it came to knowledge that it wasn't romulans who destroyed federation posts and the only real reason for romulans to appear was to say "hi" the episode looked more like a fraud to me :-/ . 4/10 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 28 Feb 2009, 09:51 Post #17 |
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That's exactly right. Gene nixed the idea of a real conspiracy so they had to invent some aliens to take the blame... :rolleyesrequest: I have mentioned how much I dislike the 24th century Trek!? |
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| sipovic | 28 Feb 2009, 10:24 Post #18 |
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The funny thing despite defeating hunger, wars and poverty people of the future still couldn't defeat dumb beaurocrats which will do anything to screw up the life of captains and their crews :shrug: THe only show where authorities was represented adequate and even appealing good people (and which I like most - not one foot in grave) was in fact ENT :kiss: Edited by sipovic, 28 Feb 2009, 10:27.
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 28 Feb 2009, 10:51 Post #19 |
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It's like Dr McCoy said at the end of Star Trek IV: "The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe." :lol2: |
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| sipovic | 28 Feb 2009, 11:00 Post #20 |
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amen! :thumbsup: |
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