Abrams Trek - the review thread

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Abrams Trek - the review thread; HEAVY SPOILERS
Topic Started: 9 May 2009, 11:24 (1,033 Views)
Jedikatie	9 May 2009, 16:20 Post #21
Rygel's Chief Engineer, Throne Sled Maintenance and Repair Posts: 15,063 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	^ Yeah, the toaster (to name one) has certainly been making the rounds over in those boards, hasn't he?



Kevin Thomas Riley	9 May 2009, 16:37 Post #22
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Yup! And a certain person who once wrote a TNG script.



Rigil Kent	9 May 2009, 16:43 Post #23
Professional (but unpaid) troublemaker Posts: 9,033 Group: Co-Admin Member #4 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Wrath of Khan Favorite SciFi series Star Wars (OT, not the prequels), Farscape, Bab5, s1 of nuBSG	When you state: Quote: I'm still amazed at the number of Trek fans that still eat this up. how else am I supposed to take it? Was the movie flawed? Absolutely. I loathed the engineering sets, thought the rapid rise of Kirk to the exalted rank of captain to be wildly unrealistic (no wonder Starfleet can't win a damned war if they're so willing to give their flagship to a cadet who hasn't even graduated the Academy yet), and thought the whole Spock/Uhuru thing to be rather dumb, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you regarding the feel of the movie. More than any recent Trek movie, I was surprised at the fun of this thing. It was an action movie and I enjoyed it as such. For that matter, it felt a lot more like the tone of the Endeavour stuff I generally write than modern Trek. Different strokes, I guess.



Kevin Thomas Riley	9 May 2009, 16:51 Post #24
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Rigil Kent 9 May 2009, 16:43 When you state: Quote: I'm still amazed at the number of Trek fans that still eat this up. how else am I supposed to take it? Exactly what I wrote - that I'm amazed that so many like it. Not that they're "traitors" but that they're apparently not so worked up about the erasing of previous canon as I am. But whatever. Different strokes as you say.



Captain X	9 May 2009, 22:17 Post #25
"Vice" Admiral Posts: 5,589 Group: Member Member #13 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series DS9 Favorite SciFi series Firefly, nuBSG	Same here. It may confuse the hell out of me that people would like this, and I would generally debate point for point about why this movie sucks so bad, but I only really get pissed at the people who flame and troll me because I think this movie sucks. You know, the reason I got perma-banned from TrekBBS and the reason I've been temp-banned from SCN. ;)



sipovic	10 May 2009, 00:40 Post #26
Cultist Posts: 1,819 Group: Member Member #64 Joined: 27 July 2006	Quote: Not that they're "traitors" but that they're apparently not so worked up about the erasing of previous canon as I am. Damn word "canon"! I actually don't understand why people couldn't just watch movie without erasing anything? I watched it, I liked it but it didn't erase any canons of TOS for me, TOS always would be STAR TREK. And I didn't erase all other shows in my head. Exactly in the same way ENT didn't have erase any canons for me. In my head all Trek shows and movies are separated from one another. It just safer this way. I actually 100% on Abrahams side in his desicion to ignore all other treks and do something of his own(even from old parts) because if he want to build a new franchise he can't just constantly look backward. Since now it is our Abrahams trek thread, I'll repost my short review here to represent people who actually liked it. The plot is pretty simple but it is forgivable since it is the first movie and they needed to show a lot of other elements + A LOT of action sequences... As for the cast I suprisingly found myself in peace with Pine as new Kirk. Of course he is no match to Shatner but this version of drinking, stoling cars and listening Beastie Boys Kirk is much more believable(at least for me) than nerd with books. Any way Pine actually got "the core" of Kirk - character - he will do anything to win. Quinto as Spock was very good also but the best cast choise was Urban as McCoy :worthy: ! HE was just amazing and his scenes with Kirk at first and then with Spock was actually the biggest connection to TOS in this movie. Pegg as Scotty was also good choice even if he goes too comical from time to time (btw Scotty was punished after for transporting ADMIRAL ARCHER'S DOG in nowhere :guffaw: ). Chekov was tolerable and I love Sulu with his transforming Sable. The only 2 miscast were Sarek (face of actor who played him have a face which more looked like brick) and Uhura (she was simply "ship's babe", she didn't do anything real useful escept stupid love triangle between Kirk-Uhura-Spock). Nero wasn't really intersting as villain but wasn't too bad also and he had great last shot in this movie. I never was CGI and special effect "whore" but new Star Trek looks simply incredible! It hard to believe that they had the same 150mil budget as new Wolverine (which looked above average as maximum). ST looked 10 times better. And it space battles simply made Star Wars looks pale. And new soundtrack is simply great! They used old themes only during ending credits, all rest compositons were new. The only thing that really spoiled total impression was how the dealt with vulcans and a cheery ending after it looked very unappropriate to me (even if I understand that it was unevitable). In total despite some logical problems movie is very pretty and really worth watching. So go to the theater and give your buck to J.J. :biggrin: ! 8/10 Edited by sipovic, 10 May 2009, 02:02.



Rigil Kent	10 May 2009, 09:56 Post #27
Professional (but unpaid) troublemaker Posts: 9,033 Group: Co-Admin Member #4 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Wrath of Khan Favorite SciFi series Star Wars (OT, not the prequels), Farscape, Bab5, s1 of nuBSG	sipovic 10 May 2009, 00:40 And it space battles simply made Star Wars looks pale. Pure hyperbole, my Russian friend. We don't see enough of the "space battles" for it to come close to ... say ... the Battle of Coruscant that Revenge of the Sith opens up with. The opening bit with the Kelvin is over too quickly to really be considered a space battle, and we don't see any of what happened to the big task forces dispatched to Vulcan. Even when the -1701 gets involved, we don't actually see a real space battle. I have some likes and dislikes about the movie: Good: Karl Urban rules as McCoy. He's hands-down my favorite in this flick. I was amazed at the comedy they stuck in there. The bit where McCoy kept injecting Kirk with stuff (painfully) was great and the Vulcan bullies scene really caused me to laugh at how (initially) polite both sides were. Bruce Greenwood as Pike. He had more gravitas in his limited appearance than I expected, and I could totally buy him as a starship captain. George Kirk was the man. I loved the look of the shuttle bays. The movie clicked along very quickly - the pacing was never slow. Vulcan, before it was destroyed, looked awesome. I loved the architecture and the training "pits" (for lack of a better word) was absolutely fascinating. Even though it wouldn't have worked like it did in the movie, the skydrop (what I called a "Darwin Drop" in Endeavour: Medea) was cool to watch. Sylar as Spock was fairly decent, although I did keep expecting him to start cutting open people's heads to get to their brains. When he rejected the entrance to the Vulcan Science Academy, I loved the almost emotional "frak you" implicit in his final "Live long and prosper" to the bigots on the council after the leader of it made the jab at Amanda. Pike in the wheelchair and wearing a pseudo-TMP admiral's uniform at the end of the movie made me chuckle. Ben Cross as Sarek. He didn't have much to do in this movie, but what little he did I enjoyed. The cop's look near the beginning. He just looked fraking cool. I was actually okay with the new look of the -1701 (exterior). it didn't offend me like it does CX. No Klingons. Sigh of relief. The mention of Admiral Archer's prize beagle, while wrong due to timing (Jon Archer would be what? 150? 160? at this point?) was amusing 'cause it was a direct ENT reference and I'm sure that caused some of the ENT haters to gnash their teeth. I actually liked the Romulans in this because they weren't soldiers or anything like that, but were rather just average joes out for revenge. Old Spock's ship looked really freaking cool. Apart from the mini-skirts (which did cause me to roll my eyes), the uniforms looked a lot better. Bad: Vulcan's fate. Hated it. Red matter? Come on. The engineering sets. Is this a starship or a water reclamation plant? Spock/Uhuru was stupid, although I did like the "payoff" between Jim & Spock on the transporter pad. The final scene between nuSpock & oldSpock was amusing, especially once nuSpock found out how his older counterpart kept Kirk from revealing oldSpock's existence. The iBridge was still too bright and had too many random lights placed in dumb locations. Apart from that, it didn't quite offend me as much as I expected it to. The speed in which Kirk became captain. I mean, he skipped ensign, junior lieutenant, lieutenant, lieutenant commander, and commander ... and senior officers were cheering about this? No wonder Starfleet can't win a fraking war. The Romulan ship thing was ridiculous-looking, inside and out. Ugly: The whole ice planet bit was rather pointless and way too circumstantial to be believed. Oh, look, he just happened to stumble upon Old Spock's hiding spot? Uh huh. Right. And the monster chase was even more unnecessary. Scotty as pure comedy relief. It annoyed. A lot.



Jedikatie	10 May 2009, 11:52 Post #28
Rygel's Chief Engineer, Throne Sled Maintenance and Repair Posts: 15,063 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	Was the shaky camera stuff as bad as some of the people who have been complaining about it (on several other sites I looked at) say, or did you tend to not really notice it after awhile?



Rigil Kent	10 May 2009, 12:00 Post #29
Professional (but unpaid) troublemaker Posts: 9,033 Group: Co-Admin Member #4 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Wrath of Khan Favorite SciFi series Star Wars (OT, not the prequels), Farscape, Bab5, s1 of nuBSG	I've become so accustomed to them using that ridiculous shaky-cam thing in movies anymore I don't think I actually noticed. For all the crap that George Lucas gets, he at least seems to understand that sometimes, the audience wants you to pull back so we can actually see what's going on...



Kevin Thomas Riley	10 May 2009, 13:48 Post #30
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	The shaky camera moves distracted me too. I just thought of another stupid thing in this movie. In the end we see Old Spock and New Spock meet. Old Spock tells New Spock why he didn't want New Kirk to explain the background and why he didn't want to tag along when New Kirk and New Scotty got back to the Enterprise. The reason was that he wanted New Kirk and New Spock become friends in this new timeline too. Um, what!? :vulcan: The situation is gravely critical for the survival of Earth and the Federation, and having Old Spock show up would greatly improve the chances of persuading New Spock about what to do, that New Kirk is right. But that doesn't seem to matter as much to Old Spock as having new Kirk and New Spock become friends... shakes head Oh, another thing. That damn ice planet New Kirk was stranded on was called Delta Vega. Y'know, that place far off at the edge of the galaxy with the automated lithium cracking station from the TOS pilot. But here it's like Hoth and apparently located in the Vulcan star system (Old Spock could see the destruction of his homeworld from the surface of the planet).



Jedikatie	10 May 2009, 14:01 Post #31
Rygel's Chief Engineer, Throne Sled Maintenance and Repair Posts: 15,063 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	Well, my brother's seen the movie and when he asked me if I had (and I said no), he was like "Huh." And then proceeded to tell me how awesome he thought it was... and he's not a Trek fan.



Reanok	10 May 2009, 14:39 Post #32
Vice Admiral Posts: 5,212 Group: Member Member #17 Joined: 20 March 2006	what about Leonard Nimoy's performance in the movie. I've heard alot of positive comments on other sites. what about the Spock-Uhura relationship.That scene I saw of Captain Robau and Nero on youtube was pretty intense.This was a captain who seemed to be a longtime veteran and held his own against Nero in that interrogation scene. Edited by Reanok, 10 May 2009, 14:43.



Kevin Thomas Riley	10 May 2009, 14:58 Post #33
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Reanok 10 May 2009, 14:39 what about Leonard Nimoy's performance in the movie. I've heard alot of positive comments on other sites. Frankly I thought it was much too dispassionate, even though he's a (half-)Vulcan, especially considering that his planet was blown to smithereens. Quote: what about the Spock-Uhura relationship. See my above review. Also, it was extremly out of character for Spock to indulge in such public displays of affection. Not to mention that a superior officer/adademy instructor is involved with one of his cadets. Quote: That scene I saw of Captain Robau and Nero on youtube was pretty intense.This was a captain who seemed to be a longtime veteran and held his own against Nero in that interrogation scene. Well, it was over pretty quick. Robau didn't tell Nero much and was them whacked.



Reanok	10 May 2009, 15:46 Post #34
Vice Admiral Posts: 5,212 Group: Member Member #17 Joined: 20 March 2006	Thanks Ktr. What about Winona Ryder's portrayal of Amanda and the scenes of Spock's childhood when he was being bullied by his classmates.Also Zachary Quinto's as a younger Spock and his relationship with Amanda.What about him trying to rescue his parents is there a mention of a Katra ark holding all the important knowledge of their civilization.before he beams down to Vulcan? Edited by Reanok, 10 May 2009, 15:50.



sipovic	11 May 2009, 01:04 Post #35
Cultist Posts: 1,819 Group: Member Member #64 Joined: 27 July 2006	Quote: Was the shaky camera stuff as bad as some of the people who have been complaining about it ? I watched it today for the second time and actually camera work in this movie was ABSOLUTELY AMAZING :worthy: ! I really was mesmerized sometimes by it moves. I'm a big fan of moving and shaking cameras and this one was one of the best I've ever saw. I hope operators will gain some awards for their work because it was really, really something - great shots, great moving, great shaking and great angles. I didn't like only one scene where red matter ball explodes inside Nero's ship. All rest was just perfect! Intereting thing - in last 2 days on IMDB Star Trek rating goes up from 8.4 to 8.6 when usually with time such high rating goes down Edited by sipovic, 11 May 2009, 01:19.



Kevin Thomas Riley	11 May 2009, 15:05 Post #36
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	A hilariously funny review from someone who, like me, didn't like the movie: Star Trek: I may be the only one who had trouble with the movie, but man� :guffaw:



Captain X	11 May 2009, 16:11 Post #37
"Vice" Admiral Posts: 5,589 Group: Member Member #13 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series DS9 Favorite SciFi series Firefly, nuBSG	All that plus the reboot crap for me. ;)



Kevin Thomas Riley	12 May 2009, 17:31 Post #38
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Another reviewer who didn't care for the movie here. And no, I'm not trying to troll. Since 99 per cent of reviews are very favourable and easy to find, I thought I'd post those rare ones that aren't favourable and that are hard to find. And this guy, who actually liked the movie, has posted a review of the science (or lack thereof) in the movie.



Reanok	12 May 2009, 18:21 Post #39
Vice Admiral Posts: 5,212 Group: Member Member #17 Joined: 20 March 2006	Mtv had an interview with Roberto Orci about the next movie and a storyline that was leaked on the internet about them bringing back Khan Noonien Sing or Soran the scientist who killed Kirk in Generations.Since the timeline was changed and the bad guys lives were altered they thought it would be a good story idea. I hope not I don't like this story idea at all. :drunk: :blah: :uhoh: Edited by Reanok, 13 May 2009, 08:11.



Midge	13 May 2009, 00:01 Post #40
Andorian Captain Posts: 121 Group: Member Member #1,135 Joined: 21 December 2008 Favorite Trek Series Star Trek:Enterprise Favorite SciFi series Star Trek:Enterprise	My son and I have seen the movie twice and really enjoyed it both times. While I am a fan of Trek, I am not a "purist" and have found things I like in all the TV series and movies and some things I would have done differently if I had been in charge. But I wasn't in charge, so what everyone is seeing is the vision of the person who did make it. Everyone has a different vision and, personally, I think it is wonderful to look at the marvelous kaleidoscope that all of them make together. If all of them were made with the same vision, it would be very dull. Not to mention, it would cut out vast numbers of fans who don't particularly care for that vision. One definite upshot of this movie is the revitalizing jolt it has put into the entire franchise. I can't wait to see where it goes from here. I think the Trek universe is going to get very exciting... Oh, yeah, BTW, Spock and Uhura kissing on the transporter brought a really nice flashback of my 1960's era "Spock-lust". :popcorn: :thumbsup: :popcorn: :thumbsup:



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