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Adult Harry Potter
Topic Started: 6 Dec 2009, 17:49 (337 Views)
Kevin Thomas Riley
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Get out of your dirty minds! The thread title IS NOT about that! Sheesh! :rolleyes: :wink:

But I'm contemplating finally getting these books, even if I'm not going to read them immediately. That's when I saw that there at least for the first book are two editions - one regular and one labelled "adult". What does that mean, that Rowling made one kiddie version and one a bit more violent for the grown-ups? Is it just for the first book or is it for all of them?

There is a boxed set with all the books in paperback. Or I should say two sets since one is also labelled adult, but I'm not sure if it's more that the covers don't look so "childish" for the adult one.

Care to enlighten me, please!

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Honestly, I don't know why there would be an "adult" version of the books. Where exactly do you see that listed at?
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^ On amazon.co.uk and a Swedish online retailer called adlibris.se.

ETA: Here is the "adult" version page on British Amazon.

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Ah, we only had one version in the States. But to answer your question (since apparently it was one asked by others on Amazon's board), someone posted in the link on Amazon's board the following answer, which they got from another source:

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"...The series has also gathered adult fans, leading to two editions of each Harry Potter book being released (in markets other than the United States), identical in text but with one edition's cover artwork aimed at children and the other aimed at adults...."
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Ah, thanks! :) They should have spelled that out on the sales pages IMO.

And since I'm not a big fan of the kiddie covers, I'll go with the adult ones.

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Of the books I've bought recently I decided to start reading Harry Potter for the simple reason that with all that's coming up with the holidays I didn't want to get too distracted by something new (like Robert Jordan), and I do know Potter from watching the first few movies - I think I've seen the first four or so.

The Philospher's Stone was an easy and quick read that I did this past week. It was not very complicated and the language was basic, but then again it is a children's book. The only thing that bugged me language-wise was Hagrid's speak, which was dialect and spelled as such. That was a bit hard. Since I read it in English I do wonder how they did that in the translations. I the stories get more complex as the books get longer and longer.

It was OK but nothing Earth-shattering either. I can see the appeal though. The characters aren't that fleshed out, but follows a certain pattern you might call clichéd. I hope and think they'll develop more as the stories unfold, but I think I might have a morbid fascination with Snape.

Now it's on to The Chamber of Secrets...

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Ah, yes, Snape, always the teacher least likely to be nice to Harry throughout the series, but he does have his reasons for being like that. And Alan Rickman does a fabulous job of bringing him to life in the movies.
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Alan Rickman is awesome! :worthy:

Don't spoil anything, but I do hope that Snape turns out to be one of the "good guys" in the end. After all, he was the one that protected Harry from professor Quirrell during the Quidditch game.

BTW, why is the first book sometimes (in the US?) called Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone instead of the the proper Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone?

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Well, according to wikipedia, this is why (I removed the footnote markers from the paragraph to make it more readable, otherwise it's the same as it is over there):

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Scholastic Corporation bought the USA rights at the Bologna Book Fair in April 1997 for US$105,000, an unusually high sum for a children's book. They thought that a child would not want to read a book with the word "philosopher" in the title and, after some discussion, the American edition was published in October 1998 under the title Rowling suggested, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. Rowling claimed that she regretted this change and would have fought it if she had been in a stronger position at the time.


ETA: And don't worry, I won't give away what happens in the books.

Though I did learn something in the past couple of weeks that I didn't know--namely that J.K. Rowling absolutely refuses to allow the Harry Potter books to be made into e-books, so no one can read them on a Kindle, Nook or whatever other e-readers there are out there, at least, not legally.
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Ah, the dumbing down the audience thing... Or rather thinking that the audience is dumber than it really is! :rolleyes:

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I finished the second book (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets) over Christmas and it was about on par with the first one. From the start I really didn't like the Lockhart character and it was good to know he was a fraud. But I wonder why the school kept him since all the teachers did know that he was a failure. It sure was a wasted year for everyone trying learn about Defence against the Dark Arts.

It was a bit difficult to understand the concept of Tom Riddle preserving himself in a diary. Does that mean that this version of Voldemort-to-be existed independently of the real Voldemort? Did the real Voldemort learn or know about that Voldemort/Riddle? And what did the Basilisk live on during all that time it was sealed off in the Chamber of Secrets?

By sheer coincidence, a couple of Swedish TV channels decided to air the first two Harry Potter films over Christmas, so I got to see them again soon after having read them. And in the next few days they'll show part three and four, but I will not have finished with those books before then. They mostly got everything from the books in the films, but I take it that won't be the case with the others since those books are longer.

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I finished the second book (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets) over Christmas and it was about on par with the first one. From the start I really didn't like the Lockhart character and it was good to know he was a fraud. But I wonder why the school kept him since all the teachers did know that he was a failure. It sure was a wasted year for everyone trying learn about Defence against the Dark Arts.


I didn't much care for Gilderoy Lockhart myself. I'm not sure that all the teachers did know that he was a fraud--after all, the only bit of magic that he was good at was charms, and more specifically, memory charms. So if any of them did question his ability, he could (potentially) catch them unaware and slap a memory charm on them so that, despite them having actually taken care of the problem, the other teacher(s) would remember that as Lockhart having done it. It's why his books were so successful: he took what someone else actually did, and then 'modified' their memory so that the one who actually did the deeds didn't remember doing it, and there was only Lockhart's version...

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It was a bit difficult to understand the concept of Tom Riddle preserving himself in a diary. Does that mean that this version of Voldemort-to-be existed independently of the real Voldemort? Did the real Voldemort learn or know about that Voldemort/Riddle? And what did the Basilisk live on during all that time it was sealed off in the Chamber of Secrets?


I would answer this directly, but since it relates to something very specifically that is explained in books 6 & 7, I won't. Needless to say that remembering this incident for future reference would be a good thing, because it does relate to how Voldemort intended to preserve himself until he could "return" once and for all. And yes, the real Voldemort did indeed know about the book and the version of him in it.

As for the Basilisk, I'd guess that it happened to eat anything that was foolish enough to come his way...

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By sheer coincidence, a couple of Swedish TV channels decided to air the first two Harry Potter films over Christmas, so I got to see them again soon after having read them. And in the next few days they'll show part three and four, but I will not have finished with those books before then. They mostly got everything from the books in the films, but I take it that won't be the case with the others since those books are longer.


Yeah, in the later movies, they cut quite a bit out from the novels. For example, one of the movies entirely cuts out the Dursleys from the beginning. However, book 7's translation to film (since it's being divided into 2 parts) will likely result in most of it being retained, which is kind of a pity, because it's the one that could most stand to be cut, IMO.
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Ah yes, Lockhart's memory charm... Still, most of the teachers acted like they knew he wasn't all what he said he was, especially by the end when Ginny was abducted.

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And yes, the real Voldemort did indeed know about the book and the version of him in it.

Yeah, but did the real Voldemort have a link or something to his other self (Diary Riddle) that made him aware of what that version of him did (i.e. the events in book 2)?

If the answer to that is a spoiler, then don't answer.

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Well, yes, he does have a link to the book's Tom Riddle, but I won't say anything more than that. Whether or not Voldemort's specifically aware of the actions of "Tom Riddle" in book 2 is another matter.

And I think the teachers were probably just as sick as Lockhart as the rest of us were by that point, since he had a tendency to claim (in a roundabout way) that he knew how to do their jobs... remember, how he kept "offering" suggestions based on this or that book of his on how to deal with things that the other teachers knew how to do anyway? The one time he didn't immediately start offering his services was when Ginny was attacked... which was something, as the other teachers pointed out, that he was supposed to be the "expert" at dealing with.
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I've read The Prisoner of Azkaban now (well, actually I finished it some weeks ago). I liked it better than the others, but seeing how it's a bit longer and has a more intricate plot that doesn't surprise me. I expect to like the subsequent books better too.

Since I had seen the film before I was a bit spoiled already, but I had forgotten who Scabbers were. And believe it or not, I had also forgotten about that Sirius Black wasn't a baddie.

There were obvious clues in some of the names. Sirus Black could transform himself into a black dog (Sirius is called "the dog star"). And it should come as no surprise that Remus Lupin was a werewolf (Remus=of Romulus and Remus fame, Lupin=from lupus meaning wolf). Maybe that's what clued Hermione in.

It's clear that the story has taken a darker turn and I like that too. And I actually enjoyed the time travelling stuff towards the end, but I do wonder why it's never used to repair damages done in later novels.

I also saw the movie again, and I'm amazed at how fast the young actors have grown up. They were still kids in The Chamber of Secrets but now they're much bigger. But maybe you do grow so fast when you're 13 or whatever their ages are. It's been so long since I was there I' ve forgotten...

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'Harry Potter' author hit with plagiarism lawsuit

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Being a Snape fan I'm almost ashamed to admit that apparently I'm a Ravenclaw - at least according to some of the online tests I've made to see into which Hogwarts house I fit in. Maybe I should be glad I'm not a Slytherin considering they're somewhat evil, but I can't help feel a sting of disappointment.

Oh, well... The Sorting Hat has spoken...

So, what's your House? I took the below ones and apart from one of them I always got Ravenclaw. At least I was least likely to be a Hufflepuff.

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3 of them said Hufflepuff, 2 of them said Gryffindor...
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This weekend I finished the book Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. I liked it and while it was rather long, it didn't deviate that much from the movie, which I'd seen before. But the entire house elf liberation thing was new to me, together with Dobby and Winky. And Barty Crouch Sr got a different treatment.

I liked Mad-Eye Moody, even if he wasn't Mad-Eye Moody. I get was he was doing, but it did seem a very roundabout way of getting Harry to the Riddle graveyard and the "reanimation" of Voldemort. Why do this elaborate scheme of the Triwizard Tournament, and have the cup be a portkey, when at any point before, Moody could've made Harry touch another object he'd made as a portkey?

And one thing that has become a small irritant is that many of the secret things Harry learns is when he either overhears conversations or eavesdrops. And then, by the end, we get very lenghty explanations of what has been going on. Take Voldemort; He goes on page after page to explain every little detail to the captive Harry, and then Fake Moody/Crouch Jr does the same. Why bother?

But it did explain things for the reader, which I have been wondering about, like how Voldemort survived after failing to kill Baby Harry , and how he managed to come back. It's still fuzzy how he became a "baby creature" though.

And one thing struck me as odd. I take it that the Death Eaters are all pure-bloods (like Lucius Malfoy) and rather picky about this fact. Then why do they follow a guy who, by his own admission, is a mudblood. Tom Riddle's father was a Muggle. So what if his son hated him, Voldemort is still a half-Muggle.

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