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Adult Harry Potter
Topic Started: 6 Dec 2009, 17:49 (323 Views)
Jedikatie	22 Feb 2010, 16:35 Post #21
Rygel's Chief Engineer, Throne Sled Maintenance and Repair Posts: 15,063 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	Quote: This weekend I finished the book Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. I liked it and while it was rather long, it didn't deviate that much from the movie, which I'd seen before. But the entire house elf liberation thing was new to me, together with Dobby and Winky. And Barty Crouch Sr got a different treatment. Yeah, they cut out the whole House Elf Liberation bit from the movie. It wasn't really necessary for the overall plot (for the movie or the books, other than to give Hermione something to do). Dobby, however, you did meet before if you saw the second movie--he was the one who showed up at the Dursley's house at the beginning of the movie and magicked the cake to fall on the heads of their important guests and Harry got the blame. And Harry managed to get him freed at the end of the movie when he gave Lucius Malfoy back the diary, with a sock inside, that he dumped off into Dobby's hands at the end of the movie. Quote: I liked Mad-Eye Moody, even if he wasn't Mad-Eye Moody. I get was he was doing, but it did seem a very roundabout way of getting Harry to the Riddle graveyard and the "reanimation" of Voldemort. Why do this elaborate scheme of the Triwizard Tournament, and have the cup be a portkey, when at any point before, Moody could've made Harry touch another object he'd made as a portkey? I'm not sure that the Triwizard Tournament was necessarily the idea of the Death Eaters and Voldemort in the first place. It may have just been the last resort, after whatever else they might have planned throughout the year failed. How'd you like the annoying tabloid reporter lady, Rita Skeeter, btw? She shows up again later in the series, just so you know. Quote: And one thing that has become a small irritant is that many of the secret things Harry learns is when he either overhears conversations or eavesdrops. And then, by the end, we get very lenghty explanations of what has been going on. Take Voldemort; He goes on page after page to explain every little detail to the captive Harry, and then Fake Moody/Crouch Jr does the same. Why bother? But it did explain things for the reader, which I have been wondering about, like how Voldemort survived after failing to kill Baby Harry , and how he managed to come back. It's still fuzzy how he became a "baby creature" though. Unfortunately, that doesn't really change throughout the books. Harry (and/or his friends) tend to discover information, whether deliberately or not, in just that manner quite a bit. And yes, the exposition at times does get a bit carried away... though perhaps J.K. Rowling has her villainous characters suffer from that supervillain malady of having to "monologue" their plans to whoever the hero is, so that the hero has time to come up with a way of stopping them. As for how Voldemort survived... well, that's a spoiler, and you didn't want to be spoiled, so I won't answer that. Quote: And one thing struck me as odd. I take it that the Death Eaters are all pure-bloods (like Lucius Malfoy) and rather picky about this fact. Then why do they follow a guy who, by his own admission, is a mudblood. Tom Riddle's father was a Muggle. So what if his son hated him, Voldemort is still a half-Muggle. Yeah, you'd think that would bother them, wouldn't it? I think, though, that they realize that, despite his origins, Tom Riddle can kick any of their butts in a fight, so right now they should stick together with him, and then when he's not looking later, they can always "remove" their Dark Lord and one of the pure bloods can take his place... if they can ever agree on who that should be, since probably all of them think they should be the one calling the shots.



Kevin Thomas Riley	22 Feb 2010, 17:00 Post #22
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Jedikatie 22 Feb 2010, 16:35 Dobby, however, you did meet before if you saw the second movie... Of course I remember Dobby from the second book/movie. I meant that he was in the fourth book but not in the fourth movie. Oh, the CGI Dobby looked a lot like a caricature of Vladimir Putin. So much in fact that I recall there being complaints from Russian officials when the second movie came out. Quote: I'm not sure that the Triwizard Tournament was necessarily the idea of the Death Eaters and Voldemort in the first place. It may have just been the last resort, after whatever else they might have planned throughout the year failed. No, I think the idea originated with the Ministry of Magic, to further international wizard co-operation. Voldemort just took advantage of it. And to my knowledge there was no other plan than the one we saw. I still say it's a needlessly complicated plan. Crouch-Moody could just have made Harry pick something up (that would be a portkey) at any time. Quote: How'd you like the annoying tabloid reporter lady, Rita Skeeter, btw? She shows up again later in the series, just so you know. Oh, I hated her (even if I am a newspaper editor myself). Good thing Hermione caught her when she was a bumblebee or something, and put her in a jar. That was another thing missing from the movie. Quote: J.K. Rowling has her villainous characters suffer from that supervillain malady of having to "monologue" their plans to whoever the hero is, so that the hero has time to come up with a way of stopping them. Yeah, and he also suffers from the "lets-free-the-hero-so-we-can-have-a-final-duel-on-equal-terms" syndrome. Just kill him already! Quote: Yeah, you'd think that would bother them, wouldn't it? I think, though, that they realize that, despite his origins, Tom Riddle can kick any of their butts in a fight, so right now they should stick together with him. A lot of mudbloods can kick pureblood ass! I remember when Hermione threatened Draco with her wand (in part three),; He was genuinely scared there. And some guys are just plain stupid, like Draco's side-kicks Crabbe and Goyle. But then again, a lot of the leading Nazis from the supposed "master race" weren't all that bright either. And speaking of Nazis, some of them weren't pure "Aryans" either. There are still rumours about Heydrich having Jewish blood, so that might explain why the purebloods' accepted Riddle.



Kevin Thomas Riley	27 Feb 2010, 12:22 Post #23
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	An interesting article: How �Real� is Hogwarts?



Kevin Thomas Riley	6 Mar 2010, 12:27 Post #24
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Finished The Order of the Phoenix the other day. I think it might be the favourite book for me thus far (and it is one of the best of the movies too, together with The Prisoner of Azkaban). I really liked the "Dumbeldore's Army" Harry set up in secret and how we got to learn more about the Wizarding world. Nice touch about how the well-meaning defaitists almost made a totalitarian state. I hated Dolores Umbridge, but she was a good character and a great foil for Harry and Dumbeldore. It was a great parallel to real life when people have refused to recognise the evil that's out there. Fudge was like a Chamberlain (I suppose Dumbeldore would be a Churchill). Even though the movie version had to be condensed I think they managed to compress it and get most of the important stuff in there. One thing the movie did better was in making Cho Chang the "traitor" - that was more powerful. And in the movie we saw Umbridge been taken away by the Centaurs, not knowing her fate. But in the book we learned that Dumbeldore got her back, even if she's now confined to a hospital bed. Pity, I had hoped she would have died. But I was a bit disappointed about the Prophecy. All that work for such an obvious reveal - that Harry and Voldemort can't hope to live both and that one has to kill the other. Well, duh! It was interesting to get a glimpse into Snape's past and that Harry's father had been a real ass in school. In fact, James Potter and Sirius Black were the Draco, Crabbe and Goyle to Snape. No wonder why Snape is how he is, even if he should recognise that Harry isn't like James was. I'm still wondering about Snape. He is in the Order of the Phoenix, and we've seen him really help out on numerous occasions throughout the years. Dumbeldore trusts him. But then The Half-Blood Prince happens (I've seen the movie, but not read the book yet). So which side is he on? Was he on the good side until The Half-Blood Prince but then changed his mind? Or is all this, including killing Dumbeldore, a clever plan to infiltrate Voldemort and the Death-Eaters? These last questions are rhetorical. Don't answer! I don't want to be spoiled.



Jedikatie	6 Mar 2010, 12:39 Post #25
Rygel's Chief Engineer, Throne Sled Maintenance and Repair Posts: 15,063 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	Well, if you really want to know about Snape, you're going to have to... read the last book (no, I won't spoil it for you). Nevertheless, you're moving along quickly through the stories. Only two books left now, so you'll find out before too long, though the sixth book will also give you more about Snape (which wasn't in the movie). Though that reminds me, I still need to order that movie on DVD... And yes, the prophecy was rather anti-climatic at that point, because it was pretty obvious that either Harry or Voldemort was going to have to die before this.



Kevin Thomas Riley	6 Mar 2010, 13:03 Post #26
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	I bought all the six movies in February and couldn't help myself so I watched them before reading the books. I was a bit disappointed with The Half-Blood Prince. It felt choppy and disjointed, and focused way too much on some silly romantic sub-plots. I hope the book is better and more held together. But then I'll probably think even less of the movie. Oh, well... What I did like about the movie was that finally there was some depth and internal conflict for Draco. I actually felt sorry for him.



Jedikatie	6 Mar 2010, 13:08 Post #27
Rygel's Chief Engineer, Throne Sled Maintenance and Repair Posts: 15,063 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	^ Yeah, Draco's conflict is more evident in the book. And there is, as I said, more about Snape as well. And yes, they did chop up the sixth book for the movie quite a bit, so I can understand why you'd think that. There's also much more about Harry and Dumbledore's trip to the secret cave that didn't make it into the movie. And lots more about Horace Slughorn (who, honestly, was wasted in the movie--he was much more prominent in the sixth book) and his little games with the students... But be warned, they are teens, so the romance/angst/etc. doesn't go entirely away either in the last two books.



Kevin Thomas Riley	6 Mar 2010, 13:20 Post #28
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Yeah, I know about the teen angst, but why so much focus on it in the movie when there'd probably be more important things to show? God, I wanted to hit Lavender with a shovel - repeatedly! :banghead:



Jedikatie	6 Mar 2010, 13:26 Post #29
Rygel's Chief Engineer, Throne Sled Maintenance and Repair Posts: 15,063 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	Who knows? Maybe they thought they ought got to give something to those kids who have grown up with the movies that they can relate to...



Kevin Thomas Riley	22 Mar 2010, 14:59 Post #30
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	I finished The Half-Blood Prince late last night and I was rather disappointed. Not as disappointed as I was with the movie, but I bit let down nonetheless. I've stated that the movie felt choppy and I feel the same way about the book, although not as much. For such a long novel, I didn't think it contained that much that needed for it to be so long. Mercifully the stupid romantic sub-plots (especially Ron/Lavender) weren't as prominent in the book. I didn't feel there was that much of a strong over-arcing plot in it. It was more a bunch of different plot threads weaved together by nothing more than the fact that they all took place during the same school year. But it was interesting to learn about the history of Voldemort/Tom Riddle even if I got irritated by the convenient use of the pensieve. But all that was just background, even if it was interesting stuff. The horcruxes were an intriguing concept, and now Tom's diary from book two makes sense. Slughorn was not as friendly as in the movie. I'm not sure if that was good or bad. One thing the movie did better, I think, was with Snape and Draco. Rowling seems to write the characters pretty one-dimensional, even if she has tried to make Snape and Draco (the latter just in this book) more complex. It might be the actors' performances and interpretations, but I think both Alan Rickman and Tom Felton did a better job than Rowling. This also goes to my worries for the final book - what about Snape? Even if he can be a nasty piece of work, I've always felt he had redeeming qualities. Even now, one can interpret his killing of Dumbeldore as a plan to get close to Voldemort on the good side's behalf at a critical time. But from the book it seems Rowling might have decided to just have him be bad because he held a grudge at James Potter and the gang from his time at school. And that would, IMNSHO, be a very stupid and simplistic way of explaining his motivations. And if Snape is now a bad guy, has he always been one? He has helped out before (like when he warned the Order about what was happening at the Ministry at the end of The Order of the Phoenix, or when he taught Harry to defend his mind against Voldemort), so has he just recently defected to the dark side again? And Snape being the half-blood prince was an interesting thing - in that it was his book Harry had been using - but why the silly explanation for it (mother's last name was "Prince" and not some royal witch and daddy a muggle). So like Voldemort, Snape is not a pureblood. Odd that, given the dark side's obsessiveness about non-purebloods. Why would they rally to these half-breeds? These questions are, as always, rhetorical, so don't spoil me. But I am willing to get disappointed by The Deathly Hallows. Given how I feel about this book, I wasn't as moved by Dumbeldore's death as I probably would have been otherwise.



Jedikatie	22 Mar 2010, 18:42 Post #31
Rygel's Chief Engineer, Throne Sled Maintenance and Repair Posts: 15,063 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	I won't spoil you, but I can guarantee that you're probably not going to like a large section of the final book, just because of some of the things you've said here. I know I didn't care for a large part of it myself--and the news that the final two movies won't be cut down (or not as much as some of the other books when they were made into films) has me wondering if I'm going to care for those movies when they come out later this year and early next year... As for Snape, all I'll say is that you're right. :P Though as to what you're right about (given everything you've said in this last post and previous posts about him), you'll have to read the book and find out. And I agree, Alan Rickman brings a lot to the character in the movies that you just don't see on the page. But then Alan's a fantastic actor, and quite frankly, I doubt anyone could ever picture someone else doing Snape justice who has actually seen him play the part... His sheer presence and the smallest facial expressions, even when he doesn't say a word, speaks volumes. :D Yeah, the whole obsession with the Deatheaters following a half blood, despite the fact that themselves hold purebloods up as the best of the best is rather odd. But then it's probably supposed to be an allegory for Hitler's obsession with the master race, with Voldemort himself holding purebloods up on a pedestal (despite his own origins), since he despised his Muggle father, much like Hitler looked nothing like his master race of blue-eyed, blond-haired Aryans... That's my guess, anyway. This reminds me that I do need to put the sixth movie on my list of items to buy next month, actually, since I still haven't gotten it (I was hoping someone would get it for me for Christmas, but no, I got pyjamas instead. :vulcan: Useful, but not what I asked for...) How long til you think you'll have the last book read, KTR? I'd love to hear what your thoughts are regarding the final book and the characters.



Kevin Thomas Riley	24 Mar 2010, 15:25 Post #32
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Jedikatie 22 Mar 2010, 18:42 I won't spoil you, but I can guarantee that you're probably not going to like a large section of the final book, just because of some of the things you've said here... I was afraid of that! Oh, well... Quote: And I agree, Alan Rickman brings a lot to the character in the movies that you just don't see on the page. But then Alan's a fantastic actor, and quite frankly, I doubt anyone could ever picture someone else doing Snape justice who has actually seen him play the part... His sheer presence and the smallest facial expressions, even when he doesn't say a word, speaks volumes. Very true! I love Alan Rickman. Great, great actor. I've liked him ever since he played Hans Gruber on Die Hard. Quote: How long til you think you'll have the last book read, KTR? I'd love to hear what your thoughts are regarding the final book and the characters. Probably not very long. I've already begun to read it and I should be done in two weeks or so, maybe even sooner considering the Easter holidays are coming up next week.



Kevin Thomas Riley	6 Apr 2010, 15:05 Post #33
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	No, I haven't finished The Deathly Hallows yet (I actually forgot to bring the book when I went to my parenst over Easter), but I didin't want to start a separate thread for this little piece of "news": J.K. Rowling promises new Potter "10 years from now. (h/t Reanok) Actually, JKR does nothing of the sort. She just said "she doesn't intend to write any offshoots of the Potter series now�but she didn't rule it out "maybe 10 years from now," depending on how she feels."



Jedikatie	27 Apr 2010, 14:18 Post #34
Rygel's Chief Engineer, Throne Sled Maintenance and Repair Posts: 15,063 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	Just curious if you have started reading the final book yet, KTR...?



Kevin Thomas Riley	27 Apr 2010, 14:47 Post #35
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Nope, haven't finished it. I took a break and then started reading other stuff. But I hope I'll get back to it and finish it before my vacation trip.



Jedikatie	16 Jun 2010, 16:05 Post #36
Rygel's Chief Engineer, Throne Sled Maintenance and Repair Posts: 15,063 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	Say, KTR, did you ever finish the final Harry Potter book?



Kevin Thomas Riley	16 Jun 2010, 18:45 Post #37
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Um, no! But I will eventually. I just got lost at the time the gang was lost in the woods or where ever... :confused:



Kevin Thomas Riley	3 Jul 2010, 09:10 Post #38
Jolene Blalock Worshipper Posts: 10,095 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Harry Potter actress pleads with police to drop charges against father and brother who 'threatened to kill her'



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