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| Topic Started: 11 Dec 2009, 19:27 (1,884 Views) | |
| Jedikatie | 11 Dec 2009, 19:27 Post #1 |
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Okay, having noticed that the last thread had actually reached a 1001 posts, I locked it and started a new one, since we do have a new episode coming next week... |
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| tennisgirl | 12 Dec 2009, 08:21 Post #2 |
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Ok, so far the cable channel that runs NCIS here had shown Season 6 without skipping or repeating episodes. On Friday evening, the episode they should have aired was Legend, Part 1, but instead they went for a rerun of Knock Out. Apparently, they will continue to repeat episodes through the holidays and start with the new ones on January, meaning that by the last week of January whomever else watches NCIS around these places will be exposed to the awful Season 6 ending... |
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| Rigil Kent | 15 Dec 2009, 19:18 Post #3 |
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I didn't much like tonight's episode - thought it was too predictable (knew who killed the guy as soon as the killer showed up) and just weirdly paced and acted. Apart from Jackson Gibbs, the guest acting felt off to me and the bar fight seemed completely tacked on. The payoff of the secret Santa thing for Tony made no sense - why would something like that be in a personnel file? I really liked Gibbs' visible frustration with his dad though - it reminds me a lot of my own problems with my mom, albeit I don't have as many problems with her as Gibbs does, but we honestly have nothing in common, so conversations are pretty difficult. Also appreciated that the team dynamics seemed kind of normal for a change... |
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| Jedikatie | 15 Dec 2009, 20:25 Post #4 |
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I'll have to watch it tomorrow morning, since I was at work til 10 tonight. |
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| tennisgirl | 16 Dec 2009, 00:16 Post #5 |
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I'll check the DVR later too... Was this supposed to be the "golden Ziva moment" episode? |
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| Rigil Kent | 16 Dec 2009, 00:45 Post #6 |
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No such thing. If you recall, though, Ausiello said something about wagering for one, not predicting one. And now, another 3 week hiatus until the next new episode. Wonder if I'll even remember to watch it... |
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| Jedikatie | 16 Dec 2009, 07:23 Post #7 |
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Didn't Joe Regalbuto guest star on one of the Treks at some point? I looked at imdb, but it doesn't mention him, but I could swear that he was on either TNG or DS9... ETA: Anyway, I've just finished watching the episode, and I have to agree with Rigil about how patently obvious who the killer was. Even I figured it out as soon as I saw the person. And I also agree that it was pretty silly that Tony was able to find that bit in the lady's personnel file in order to give her a Secret Santa gift... um, yeah, I'm sure that stuff about what this or that person didn't get when they were a kid is everyone's file at work. :rolleyes: I did think it was sweet that McGee was able to make the kid's wish come true (even if it is totally unrealistic, and he'd quite probably be up on a host of charges if he tried it). Since I still haven't actually seen the other episode where we met Gibbs' dad before, I hadn't actually seen or known about the distance between them, other than the occasional comment by Gibbs. But it was nice to see Ralph Waite, whom I've always thought of as John Walton, again. I have to agree that I, too, was thinking that it was going to be some sort of terminal medical problem that prompted the sudden visit at Christmas time to Gibbs' house by his dad, so it was nice to see that they didn't go that route for once. I wouldn't have guessed what it was about, but I can understand why his dad would have trouble with that, and even why he'd go to Jethro to try and make some sense of what he's going through and (hopefully) find a way to live with it. Overall, though, it was a so-so episode, especially for one hyped as a Christmas special. I get the whole "message" of the show with the murder and all, but still, I think it would have been better to just forgo the usual murder of the week, and done something else entirely for their Christmas special. ETA2: And I just saw the fast overnight ratings for Tuesday, and apparently anyone who was watching TV last night was watching NCIS, considering it beat the next highest rated show (A Charlie Brown Christmas, on ABC) in its time slot by almost 14 million viewers... Edited by Jedikatie, 16 Dec 2009, 11:17.
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| Rigil Kent | 16 Dec 2009, 11:40 Post #8 |
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure his security clearance would be yanked for this. If, on the other hand, he went to Director Vance (whom he has a pretty decent relationship with), explained what he wanted to do, and asked nicely, Leon (who is a family guy) would have helped. But then, this show has kissed realism goodbye a long time ago.
This is one of those wild inconsistencies that irk me. From "Heartland" last year, they established that Gibbs held a grudge for 17 years against his dad because Jackson showed up at Shannon & Kelly's funeral with a date ... yet Jethro forgave Ziva for betraying the team without even blinking. Uh ... yeah...
Compared to their usual tendency to be so unbelievably obvious with everything, it was a pleasant surprise.
The message actually irked me because it seems silly. Would Hollywood have had the balls to flip the respective religions in this episode? |
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| Jedikatie | 16 Dec 2009, 11:50 Post #9 |
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^ Well, there's that part of the message, but I think that the part with Gibbs' dad is also supposed to be part of that message too, and is supposed to be counterbalancing the fact the killer showed absolutely no guilt for his actions. It's not done very well, but I think that's what they intended, at any rate. And yes, it's a question whether Hollywood would have the guts to do it or not, to show the same situation the other way around (I vote no, they wouldn't at this time, though in another 6 or 7 months, they will probably be some TV movie about the Fort Hood shooting or the like, and it will have a message about how we "failed" the guy who killed all those soldiers or some such). |
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| Jedikatie | 16 Dec 2009, 14:27 Post #10 |
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A spoilerish tidbit for the 12 January episode (the one with Tony's dad in it). Not really much to the spoiler, since most of us had long since guessed that this would be the case... |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 16 Dec 2009, 15:56 Post #11 |
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Saw Outlaws and In'-aws and it was tolerable even if I'm rather tired of Mike Franks. But why does so many TV shows feel the need to paint every psuedo-military contractor as bad guys, molded after Blackwater? It's getting tiresome and unimaginative. Now N.C.I.S. does it. 24 did it. And Jericho, which I liked anyway. Also saw the LA show's Keepin' it real which dealt with counterfit money. Rather meh, but the Secret Service chick was hot. |
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| Jedikatie | 16 Dec 2009, 16:01 Post #12 |
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^ Well, next week you'll get your North Korean operative lady back on NCIS, so you have that to look forward to, at any rate... |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 16 Dec 2009, 16:21 Post #13 |
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^ I'm not sure I'll be able to see that one in real time, since it's the day before I go to my parents for Christmas and I'll have a lot of things to do at work and then I have to pack. But I'll DVR it and have myself a Kelly Hu treat when I get back... |
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| tennisgirl | 16 Dec 2009, 17:07 Post #14 |
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I guess I'd qualify the episode as underwhelming. If anything, the 'shipper in me liked the smile Ziva had on in the scene where Tony was giving the HR lady the present, but the fact that the info was on her file seemed pretty dumb. And I also liked that Tony was not portrayed as incompetent, but I still have a problem with McGee's attitude... Also, how could Gibbs' dad get into the building? Come on... |
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| Jedikatie | 17 Dec 2009, 06:03 Post #15 |
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You know, I swear that Ausiello is in the pay of Shane Brennan to try and aide and abet getting the Tiva fans to watch stuff that has little to no Tiva in it... This is what he posted last night in his Ask Ausiello:
I mean, seriously, hands up everyone who is the least surprised that they'll end out sharing a hotel room in Paris. And hands up, who seriously thinks that anything will come out of it? |
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| Rigil Kent | 17 Dec 2009, 10:09 Post #16 |
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Not to mention, his spoilers generally pan out to be nothing at all. Case in point, the whole "Ziva stuck in an elevator overnight with someone not Tony" and how he implied it would be a major plot element ... and it was dealt with in the course of a few minutes. Or the so-called "golden moment" for Ziva in last week's silly anti-Christian, "Islam is a religion of peace" episode. Hence, I think it's safe to ignore pretty much anything this guy says, particularly since he's never hidden the fact that he's not much of a NCIS fan to begin with and it was Brennan who said that Tony/Ziva were going to remain "status quo," not a mysterious mole. |
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| tennisgirl | 18 Dec 2009, 10:32 Post #17 |
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Yeah, I have to agree with that. I bet this whole "Tony and Ziva go *insert random place here*" will amount to no good TIVA. Besides, this guy's spoilers have been nothing but disappointments, and the execs themselves do nothing but contradict themselves. Heh, I just realized how bitter I've become about this show... |
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| Jedikatie | 18 Dec 2009, 12:20 Post #18 |
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Some people over at imdb are claiming that when Tony said that he found out that the lady hadn't gotten that doll when she was 8 years old from her personnel file, that what he really meant was her psych evaluation. Um, my question to these people is this: Irregardless of your security clearance, when exactly does a federal agent get to view your psych evaluation when and if it's not pertinent to a case that they aren't investigating? Or, alternatively, not looking at your personnel file for job advancement--and even then, I suspect that what someone like the director of NCIS would be viewing is just a psychologist's summary of the evaluation of your fitness for the job, and probably would not address specific issues that were mentioned within the session, except possibly in the case of something like a severe trauma that would be a hindrance to performing the job. Because I seriously doubt it's any of your employer's business what toys you didn't get as a kid for Christmas or whatever, since none of that has to do with the job. I am pretty damn sure that it's a violation of your HIPAA rights, specifically the privacy rule, to simply allow a guy with security clearance to go looking through your medical records without just cause, and I'm pretty sure (if this was indeed information from her psych evaluation), that if she chose, she could have him up on charges (as well as whoever allowed him to see the psych evaluation in the first place)... Which is why I find it hard to credit these people's theory that it's from that. |
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| Rigil Kent | 18 Dec 2009, 14:47 Post #19 |
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Stop. You're thinking too hard and giving them more credit than they deserve. No, it's not realistic that something this inane would be in her personnel file (even a psych eval), and no, it's not realistic that Tony would be able to access that information, and no, it's not realistic that Tim would keep his job after a misappropriation of government resources like this no matter the reason, and no, it's not realistic that Ziva would be all happy and shiny and friendly toward a Muslim after her Summer of Woe (unless her reflexive reaction was ... I dunno ... beaten into her), and no, it's not realistic that a Christian would murder his brother for converting to Islam into what amounts to an honor killing (has anyone seen or heard of such a thing in the news?)... But it's supposed to make you feel good. You're not supposed to actually think about these sorts of things, not with this current incarnation of NCIS where every single military husband or wife cheats on their deployed spouse, or the military is (according to Ziva) a bastion of bigotry and intolerance, and facts and realism no longer have a place in favor of Drama! Perfect example of Fridge Logic if I ever heard/saw one. |
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| Jedikatie | 18 Dec 2009, 20:34 Post #20 |
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^ Oh, I know that. I just found it laughable that these people over at the NCIS board at imdb.com were seriously trying to come up with a viable reason for why that particular information would 1. be in her personnel file and 2. why Tony would be able to find it in there, because I've seen them repeat this "maybe it was in her psych evaluation" nonsense in numerous threads over there in the last day. You'd think they'd at least remember that little thing called doctor/patient confidentiality, even if they don't know a damn thing about HIPAA... |
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