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Farscape; My newbie experience
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Jan 6 2007, 01:24 PM
Say Rigil, are you referring to the season 2 or the season 4 episode that you want to see his reaction to? :biggrin:

The drummer. A shrink who is a person of color. "Gary". A cop in high heels. A car crash. A big reveal at the end. You know of what I speak... :devil:
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Ah yes, season 2. An excellent episode too... :devil: Who can possibly forget Gary?
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And he's still got "Crackers Don't Matter" to go! :guffaw:
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Say, would anyone be interested in seeing pictures of the actors from the cons? I've got pictures of most of them... including several who play characters that KTR hasn't yet seen.

ETA: Oh, yes, can't forget CDM... I've got the limited edition Scorpius action figure from that episode (you'll know how he's dressed, Rigil). Well, if he keeps up the pace he's going at, he'll reach that episode probably tomorrow or Monday...

I suppose we should apologize in advance for season 2 episodes Taking the Stone and Vitas Mortis, though, since he'll have to get through those before the fun of Crackers Don't Matter.
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Jan 6 2007, 07:57 PM
I personally define a reset button as an episode where they radically change everything and then undo by episode's end with none of the main characters having an memory of it.  This was slightly different, especially since all of the characters had memory of what happened, and it was just a simulation...

How is that exactly. I got the impression that it was all in Crichton's mind. Yes, the captured the others too, but nothing ever happened to them. Rygel didn't experience dying and being cut open, and Aeryn didn't experience being on the run with John!? :shrug:

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Jan 6 2007, 08:24 PM
It is easily one of the more popular episodes of the first season. This is the episode that basically sets up the ongoing story arc for Crichton for the rest of the series.

This I don't understand. Nothing really happened and John just imagined everything, even though he remembers what he imagined. How can this be a "pivotal episode"? :wacko: How can this set up his story arc? Am I missing something?
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Jan 6 2007, 02:08 PM
Am I missing something?

[Vorlon Hissy Noise] Yes... [/Vorlon Hissy Noise]

All will be revealed in time, my young apprentice...

I actually don't think that the entire thing was in his head. It's been a while since I saw the episode, but I interpreted it as something of an almost holodeck simulation that drew upon John's memories for context. Yeah, Rygel wasn't cut open but the other guys and gals were in the sim until they were yanked. Seems to me that they actually have Aeryn comment to John in a much later episode about John's dad and her interacting with him in this episode...
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This I don't understand. Nothing really happened and John just imagined everything, even though he remembers what he imagined. How can this be a "pivotal episode"?  How can this set up his story arc? Am I missing something?


You'll find out in, let's see... 3 episodes. :biggrin:

Trust us, KTR. This episode was important. Though you won't find out all the implications until much later... but you get the first clue to why it's important in a few episodes' time...

ETA: And yes, Aeryn, D'Argo and Rygel were all in the sim (or whatever you want to call it).
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So Aeryn did sleep with John, even if it was just in a sim? I would think that if they did that, it would've had a more profound impact on their relationship than what we were shown in the episodes after this one.
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Did they actually have sex? Man, it's been a while since I've seen that episode.
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I don't think they actually did. I think it was more they shared the hotel room than anything else. Some people did interpret it as them "sleeping together," but there was never an actual statement one way or another as I recall...
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Given the context of the episode I thought they did sleep together. But given the context of the episodes coming after I'm inclinded to think that they didn't. Makes much more sense that way.
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Now that I think about it, I believe that, when I originally saw the episode, I too thought they had slept together. Later eps made me revise that, but I don't think that you're going crazy or anything, KTR...

Maybe they were going to have sex, but were too tired or worried that they would be too distracted...
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Jan 6 2007, 10:03 PM
... but I don't think that you're going crazy or anything, KTR...

Coming from you, I'm not sure that sounds so reassuring... :rasberry:
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My side! Your side! My side! Your side! My side! Your side!

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All right, the last five episodes of season one now under my belt...

  • 18-A Bug's Life
    Another enjoyable one, and we get to meet some PK commandos. I kinda liked Larraq, he wasn't a total SOB, and he had a thing for Aeryn. I liked the fact that she was tempted by the thought (however impossible) to join his team. And it was very much in character for Rygel and Liana to open up that sealed box. D'Argo sure did not like being in chains again, which was also understandable.
    I found it odd though, that they all accepted Zhaan making the antidote. For all everyone knew, she could have been the infected one and thus also fooled everyone.

  • 19-Nerve
    Wow! This was amazing. Great action and great character play. Probably the best episode this season. They all want to save Aeryn's life (especially John, of course...) so they pull this stunt of to infiltrate a secret PK base (nods to previous episode). Even newcomer Chiana chips in.
    And we see the return of my favourite PK Tech girl (wicked cute :wub: as Rigil said). She selflessly helps them out because she loves John. I wondered if it was more to it, something devious, but it wasn't. I also wondered why she wasn't missed by her collegues when she was sneaking around doing her things.
    And enter Scorpius, a very devilish person. I'm not sure about him. Who is he really and what authority does he have? He's not a regular PK, he's not even Sebacean. It may grow on me but I thought his outfit, leather mask and all, looked a little silly, a little too over the top. But then again, if you're new to Star Wars so might Darth Vader look. And Crais is back too.
    Very gruesome torture scenes for poor John in the Aurora chair. I'm surprised they dared show that on TV. Oh yeah, I see now that there was more behind A Human Reaction, in that these Ancients implanted John with subconscious wormhole tech. Still, I have my reservations of that episode.

  • 20-The Hidden Memory
    A great follow up to the previous part. This time it's recovering Aeryn that won't leave John and we get a nice rescue by everyone involved, including poor ill-fated Tech gil. :( But I liked that the "love triangle" didn't involve her turning against them because her love for John was unrequited. Instead she came to their rescue again, at the cost of her own life. I also liked that John's cellmate didn't turn out to be the clichéd informer for their captors.
    I was surprised about the revalations about Moya's child. I didn't see that coming, although it makes sense - story-wise - for them to have an armed ship for future episodes.
    And I couldn't help but feel a little sympathy for poor Crais, even though he is a bastard. He's clearly out of his league after Scorpius has arrived.

  • 21-Bone to be Wild
    Hm, I didn't care that much for the main plot, but perhaps that was when it compares to the previous episodes. First the "beauty" is good and then the "beast" and then back again... and so forth. Oh well... The main thing that surprised me, although making sense in hindsight, was the revalation that Zhaan is really a plant-based organism. Wow!
    I liked the subplots much better, especially Aeryn "bonding" with Moya's child, and how Scorpius and Crais battled it out.

  • 22-Family Ties
    This was a truly amazingly great season finale. Thank God I have all the DVDs so I can wacth the first episode of season 2 before I go to bed tonight. Heh!
    Awesome character moments from everyone between everyone. I was surprised at Rygel trying to sell the rest of them out, and their quick forgiveness of him when he returned (with Crais no less). I had thought he had grown out of that level of deviousness...
    The last part kicked ass, with the explosion, Joahn and D'Argo floating in space, Aeryn in search for them and Moya getting convinced to starburst the hell away, even if it meant leaving her baby, commandeered by Crais, behind.
    Can't wait to see what'll happen next...
Quick question, how long is a cycle, and an arn and microns. Are they equivalent to our years, hours and seconds?
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18-A Bug's Life
Another enjoyable one, and we get to meet some PK commandos. I kinda liked Larraq, he wasn't a total SOB, and he had a thing for Aeryn. I liked the fact that she was tempted by the thought (however impossible) to join his team. And it was very much in character for Rygel and Liana to open up that sealed box. D'Argo sure did not like being in chains again, which was also understandable.
I found it odd though, that they all accepted Zhaan making the antidote. For all everyone knew, she could have been the infected one and thus also fooled everyone.

Another thing I really dug in this episode was that subtle shot of John staring at the dead Peacekeeper who the alien killed while in his body. If you think about it, this is the first time that he has killed someone. (I think).

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19-Nerve
Wow! This was amazing. Great action and great character play. Probably the best episode this season. They all want to save Aeryn's life (especially John, of course...) so they pull this stunt of to infiltrate a secret PK base (nods to previous episode). Even newcomer Chiana chips in.
And we see the return of my favourite PK Tech girl (wicked cute :wub: as Rigil said). She selflessly helps them out because she loves John. I wondered if it was more to it, something devious, but it wasn't. I also wondered why she wasn't missed by her collegues when she was sneaking around doing her things.
And enter Scorpius, a very devilish person. I'm not sure about him. Who is he really and what authority does he have? He's not a regular PK, he's not even Sebacean. It may grow on me but I thought his outfit, leather mask and all, looked a little silly, a little too over the top. But then again, if you're new to Star Wars so might Darth Vader look. And Crais is back too.
Very gruesome torture scenes for poor John in the Aurora chair. I'm surprised they dared show that on TV. Oh yeah, I see now that there was more behind A Human Reaction, in that these Ancients implanted John with subconscious wormhole tech. Still, I have my reservations of that episode.

Heresy! Scorpius rules! You get a lot more information about him as time passes. By the end of the season, it's pretty obvious that he has displaced Crais as the bad guy ... and he is one of my favorite bad guys too. Smart and completely driven. The producers called him an Evil Spock and I totally buy that.

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20-The Hidden Memory
A great follow up to the previous part. This time it's recovering Aeryn that won't leave John and we get a nice rescue by everyone involved, including poor ill-fated Tech gil. :( But I liked that the "love triangle" didn't involve her turning against them because her love for John was unrequited. Instead she came to their rescue again, at the cost of her own life. I also liked that John's cellmate didn't turn out to be the clichéd informer for their captors.
I was surprised about the revalations about Moya's child. I didn't see that coming, although it makes sense - story-wise - for them to have an armed ship for future episodes.
And I couldn't help but feel a little sympathy for poor Crais, even though he is a bastard. He's clearly out of his league after Scorpius has arrived.

Hell yeah. For some reason, I always compare Crais to what Kirk would be like if Spock turned against him. Sure, Crais/Kirk was effective, but he is so monumentally outclassed that its pathetic.

And I agree with you regarding Stark. When they introduced him, I actually expected him to be an informer and was pleasantly surprised to find out otherwise. That's the thing about Farscape: they have a tendency to do what you don't expect...

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21-Bone to be Wild

Didn't like it. 'Nuff said.

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22-Family Ties
The last part kicked ass, with the explosion, Joahn and D'Argo floating in space, Aeryn in search for them and Moya getting convinced to starburst the hell away, even if it meant leaving her baby, commandeered by Crais, behind.

I hate to say it, but this finale kicks the living piss out of any Trek finale I've ever seen. I compare this to tripe like Shockwave or even The Xindi and Zero Hour and those episodes come up short. That last scene with John & D'Argo at the airlock is fraking fantastic ("I love hanging with you, man") and the explosion ... ("John Crichton was here." A little prophetic, that, especially given how it seems that everywhere this crew goes, they make new enemies. My gaming group watched this show religiously as we quickly realized that the Star Wars RPG group I was running were these guys. They work well together but always leave behind chaos and destruction.)

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I'm pretty sure that's what they're supposed to be.
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Jan 7 2007, 04:08 AM
Heresy!  Scorpius rules!  You get a lot more information about him as time passes.  By the end of the season, it's pretty obvious that he has displaced Crais as the bad guy ... and he is one of my favorite bad guys too.  Smart and completely driven.  The producers called him an Evil Spock and I totally buy that.

What!? I never said I didn't like the twisted guy. I just think his outfit is a little too much! :P He is avery clever opponent though, a nice twist from the all too clichéd stupid bad guys we see all too often.
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Well, it fits with the Peacekeeper's weird fetish for leather ... I like his look.
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18-A Bug's Life
Another enjoyable one, and we get to meet some PK commandos. I kinda liked Larraq, he wasn't a total SOB, and he had a thing for Aeryn. I liked the fact that she was tempted by the thought (however impossible) to join his team. And it was very much in character for Rygel and Liana to open up that sealed box. D'Argo sure did not like being in chains again, which was also understandable.
I found it odd though, that they all accepted Zhaan making the antidote. For all everyone knew, she could have been the infected one and thus also fooled everyone.


Oh, Rygel and Chi get into so much more trouble together in later seasons...

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19-Nerve
Wow! This was amazing. Great action and great character play. Probably the best episode this season. They all want to save Aeryn's life (especially John, of course...) so they pull this stunt of to infiltrate a secret PK base (nods to previous episode). Even newcomer Chiana chips in.

And we see the return of my favourite PK Tech girl (wicked cute :wub: as Rigil said). She selflessly helps them out because she loves John. I wondered if it was more to it, something devious, but it wasn't. I also wondered why she wasn't missed by her collegues when she was sneaking around doing her things.
And enter Scorpius, a very devilish person. I'm not sure about him. Who is he really and what authority does he have? He's not a regular PK, he's not even Sebacean. It may grow on me but I thought his outfit, leather mask and all, looked a little silly, a little too over the top. But then again, if you're new to Star Wars so might Darth Vader look. And Crais is back too.

Very gruesome torture scenes for poor John in the Aurora chair. I'm surprised they dared show that on TV. Oh yeah, I see now that there was more behind A Human Reaction, in that these Ancients implanted John with subconscious wormhole tech. Still, I have my reservations of that episode.


Nerve and The Hidden Memory are the two episodes that drew a bunch of people into watching this show. Didn't we tell you that they like continuity on this show? :) Even the littlest detail from say, That Old Black Magic, which is only ever mentioned once, can show up in an episode much, much later in the series...

Scorpy's the man, baby. As for him not being Sebacean... well, sort of. But like Rigil said, you'll get more on his backstory later on (season 3, actually, for the particular details I'm thinking about). There is a very good reason why he has such power in the PK hierarchy...

Don't worry, Gilina will return again, though not for a few more seasons... I personally loved the whole bit where they made Scorpy believe that Crais was actually the one hiding something, and the bit where he stuck Crais in the chair over his protests. Did you notice that whenever John is "playing" a PK, he changes his accent? It's a more formal tone and actually is supposed to be a British accent. The only time he evers uses that particular accent is when he's playing PK...

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20-The Hidden Memory
A great follow up to the previous part. This time it's recovering Aeryn that won't leave John and we get a nice rescue by everyone involved, including poor ill-fated Tech gil. :( But I liked that the "love triangle" didn't involve her turning against them because her love for John was unrequited. Instead she came to their rescue again, at the cost of her own life. I also liked that John's cellmate didn't turn out to be the clichéd informer for their captors.

I was surprised about the revalations about Moya's child. I didn't see that coming, although it makes sense - story-wise - for them to have an armed ship for future episodes.

And I couldn't help but feel a little sympathy for poor Crais, even though he is a bastard. He's clearly out of his league after Scorpius has arrived.


Yes, poor Gilina has it bad for John--the first person who ever treated her as someone instead of just that tech person who fixes things (since a PK soldier/pilot is the highest thing any Sebacean can be, at least in the PK viewpoint, everyone else is beneath them).

Dear, dear Stark... raving lunatic he may appear to be, but he's (relatively) sane in spite of all that they have done to him. And what better way to insure that they don't keep putting him in the chair than to beg to be put there?

Yes, Talyn will be quite a handful in the next few seasons...

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21-Bone to be Wild
Hm, I didn't care that much for the main plot, but perhaps that was when it compares to the previous episodes. First the "beauty" is good and then the "beast" and then back again... and so forth. Oh well... The main thing that surprised me, although making sense in hindsight, was the revalation that Zhaan is really a plant-based organism. Wow!

I liked the subplots much better, especially Aeryn "bonding" with Moya's child, and how Scorpius and Crais battled it out.


One item of interest from this episode: the lady who played M'Lee (the calcivore), Francesca Buller, is Ben Browder's wife. And she's the only person to play 4 different characters on the show, one in each season. Had the fifth season gone on, her character from the fourth season was supposed to become one of the main bad guys...

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22-Family Ties
This was a truly amazingly great season finale. Thank God I have all the DVDs so I can wacth the first episode of season 2 before I go to bed tonight. Heh!

Awesome character moments from everyone between everyone. I was surprised at Rygel trying to sell the rest of them out, and their quick forgiveness of him when he returned (with Crais no less). I had thought he had grown out of that level of deviousness...

The last part kicked ass, with the explosion, Joahn and D'Argo floating in space, Aeryn in search for them and Moya getting convinced to starburst the hell away, even if it meant leaving her baby, commandeered by Crais, behind.

Can't wait to see what'll happen next...


Now why would it surprise you that Rygel would try and cut a deal? He hasn't changed that much over the course of this season. And I wouldn't be so certain that they've all forgiven and forgotten what he did, either.

Yes, the whole 'Abbott and Costello, first base...' bit between John and D'Argo was definitely one of my favorite parts of this finale. And the explosion... with Crichton and D'Argo suspended above the planet as it burns... spectacular.

As for what happens next, it depends on which episode is actually the first one on your DVD set. Is it Mind the Baby, which was the one Sci Fi actually aired as the season 2 premiere? Or is it Dream a Little Dream, which was the original season opener (with a different teaser and tag, and was actually called Re:Union), but Sci Fi chose not to air it until the 8th episode of the season, so the producers had to come up with a different teaser and tag to fit where it was finally aired...

If it's the latter, I'm afraid you're going to be somewhat confused by the teaser and tag, since those relate to the episode which aired immediately before it, Home on the Remains. Nothing vital, but it makes a little more sense to have seen that episode for those two bits of DALD. If you'd like to see the original teaser and tag for what became known as DALD (Sci Fi did get around showing Re:Union eventually--I've got it on tape somewhere), I can dig out the tape and transfer it to the computer...

If you have the newer "Starburst" edition of Farscape, then they apparently do have the original version (Re:Union) as an extra on that disc...

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Quick question, how long is a cycle, and an arn and microns. Are they equivalent to our years, hours and seconds?


Pretty close to it. I think it was slightly off, but not by much, since it was unlikely they would just happen to use the exact same time increments that Earth does... There's also "monen" which stands for month, though that isn't used very often.
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As for what happens next, it depends on which episode is actually the first one on your DVD set. Is it Mind the Baby, which was the one Sci Fi actually aired as the season 2 premiere? Or is it Dream a Little Dream, which was the original season opener (with a different teaser and tag, and was actually called Re:Union), but Sci Fi chose not to air it until the 8th episode of the season, so the producers had to come up with a different teaser and tag to fit where it was finally aired...

It is Mind the Baby, and Dream a Little Dream is the 8th episode on my DVD set.

As for Mind the Baby, which I watched last night before going to bed, I thought it did resolve some of the cliffhanger from last season, albeit it sometimes happened a bit too fast. John and D'Argo are waking up in an asteroid facility, so they're OK.

The most intriguing thing was how Aeryn reacted and you got the nagging feeling that she might have switched over to Crais, with whom she'd struck a deal. Crais actually got some brains here and outwitted everyone, including Scorpius, when he got control over Talyn and starbursted away.

I was a bit confused with the way Zhaan acted here. Why did she sudenly become this introverted seeker in the midst of all crisis? Perhaps it has something to do with the other episode that was supposed to air before this one? Anyway, it was confusing, as was the attack on Moya we saw in the teaser but that was never resolved on screen.

I loved the last scenes. A very sweet moment between Aeryn and John and the Pilot. I also liked how Rygel choked up - in a Hynerian style - when he saw them all returning.

*****

My eyes are square after having done nothing much but watching Farscape this weekend. I'd better calm down a little now... :wacko:
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