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| NX-01 Deck Plan Project/Tech Discussion; NX-01 Deck Plan Project/Tech Discussion | |
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| Topic Started: 24 Mar 2007, 12:45 (4,883 Views) | |
| Anti Drone | 24 Mar 2007, 12:45 Post #1 |
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Well thanks to the graciousness of the folks here at WWBJ I have decided to move my NX-01 Deck Plan Project discussion here. I hope you folks will enjoy this project as much as I have had creating it. I also want to offer everyone the chance to discuss the NX-01 in a nice healthy environment. So if you are interested in talking about the technology of this era you have come to the right place. I want to hear from you! I just want everyone to remember that every person’s opinions are valid here. No one is right or wrong… unless it goes against canon and then we will have to hang you at dawn. Posted Image To get us started, I have recently been busy doing some research into the NX-01 warp core. I wanted to put together an idea of how it works since I intend to create an internal schematic of it to go along with the detail plan. Since we know very little about the inner workings I consider it a blank slate. Now I have my theories put together and my ducks in a row but I want to open the floor up to your thoughts. So come on… don’t be afraid… how do you think it works? I would also like to open up the floor to anyone that may have questions about what I have already established in the deck plans. And last but not least… I have completed the Detail Plan of Sickbay. It can be found under the E Deck Page on my site. Posted Image http://www.waxingmoondesign.com/NX01MainPage.html Cheers! |
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| Rigil Kent | 24 Mar 2007, 12:50 Post #2 |
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Wow. That looks awesome. I always wondered, though, why was Decon directly connected to Sickbay? |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 24 Mar 2007, 13:03 Post #3 |
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Wow! Great detail plan of Sickbay! :thumbsup: I can't wait until you make the Armoury. :biggrin: |
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| Anti Drone | 24 Mar 2007, 13:05 Post #4 |
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Decon would have to be near the launch bay since it would be more useful there. It would also need to be close by and in a protected section or a section that could be easily isolated so that any infection, etc. is kept from spreading if accidentally brought on board. (The episode Observer Effect is an excellent example of this.) Rather than infecting half the ship transferring an away team around, it is only logical to keep everything contained to the smallest section possible. It may make it hard for medical personnel to monitor them but it is the safest thing for everyone. Sometimes simple safety outranks design logic. |
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| Rigil Kent | 24 Mar 2007, 13:09 Post #5 |
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Nah, I get that. Having Decon be connected to launch bay makes sense, but I just always wondered why they wouldn't have it then be connected to the sickbay also. But then, I always wondered why they didn't have the transporter closer to sickbay too. :lol: Anyway, it looks fantastic. I wish I could get something like this done for Endeavour... |
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| Captain X | 24 Mar 2007, 13:10 Post #6 |
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I can't remember which side was which, but the antimatter and matter entered the reaction chamber at the front of the core. Unfortunately we have no way of knowing how they regulated the reaction, as dilithium was never mentioned that I can remember. Since there was all that colorful swirling at the front end though, I think the reaction took place there, and the reaction chamber itself probably took up 1/3 to 1/2 of the core's total volume. Aft of that, I think there must've been some kind of a magneticly confined transfer conduit that shunted it all to the PTCs at the back of the core. There also would have to be coolant lines running throughout, with the coolant pipes entering and exiting through the bottom of the core. I'm really not sure what that thing at the top of the core was for though. It had some electronic componants in there and I can think of two times off hand that Trip fiddled with it to get the reaction to stop in an emergancy. |
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| Anti Drone | 24 Mar 2007, 13:38 Post #7 |
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Again it's a safety thing. Having the Sickbay at the heart of the ship keeps it from receiving a lot of damage during battles, etc. Moving it closer to the launch bay would make it more vulnerable than it needs to be. What's Endeavour? Nevermind... I clicked. |
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| Captain X | 24 Mar 2007, 14:43 Post #8 |
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You should read his stuff, he's like the Tom Clancy of frakkin' Star Trek. :biggrin: |
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| Rigil Kent | 24 Mar 2007, 16:54 Post #9 |
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I wish.
Heh. That sounds very ... technobabbly to me. B) But then, I don't know a thing about mechanics or engineering so, what do I know? |
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| Jedikatie | 24 Mar 2007, 19:04 Post #10 |
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Wow... that's pretty impressive work on sickbay, Anti Drone.
:) :thumbsup: I love how you're doing close-ups of various parts of the ship, very handy. I see that you've thought very carefully about even the little things, like where the water they use on the ship is stored (and something too often ignored, IMO). I'm terrible at the technobabble stuff myself. I'd love to hear what everyone's ideas for how the warp engine's supposed to work though. I'll give it some thought and see if I can come up with something that doesn't sound too horrible. I know that I do agree with what I read somewhere a while back that basically they can't possibly be using the same warp scale in this time frame as the later Starfleet ships, though. It doesn't seem possible that warp 5 in Enterprise's era is the same as warp 5 in the later series, at least not to me. Though I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. :) Especially if we don't know for certain if they were using dilithium crystals to regulate the matter/antimatter mix, as CX stated above. Though if you take into account the last Enterprise book (The Good That Men Do--and yeah, I know the books are not canon), evidently they were aware of dilithium's potential since a big part of why the Romulans picked Coridan as their target to destroy in their first strike was because it had a large amount of dilithium, which if they became members of the Coalition of Planets, would be readily available to the other members for their ships. So perhaps they had to use another source to regulate the mix because they didn't have an easily obtainable supply of dilithium (or perhaps they hadn't figured out how to process it enough that it was usable in warp cores). Though there was also the fact that the Coridanites weren't willing to share their warp technology with outsiders, if I remember correctly, so maybe they held the secret to how to use dilithium to regulate the mix and that's also part of what they would have brought to the table if they had joined the Coalition. I don't know if any of that makes sense, but it was just a thought I had. |
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| chrisis1033 | 24 Mar 2007, 20:37 Post #11 |
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Apparently the warp scale was adjusted from TOS to TNG. Its actually mentioned in one of the TNG episodes... Its mentioned on a Voyager episode as well if I reall correctly. I will check and perhaps be able to find a reference. |
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| Captain X | 24 Mar 2007, 23:31 Post #12 |
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The TOS scale was more incramental, like Mach numbers but for light instead of sound, whereas the TNG scale was exponential, with Warp 10 as an infinate number that could never be reached because any ship theoretically going warp 10 would exist simultaniously everywhere in the universe at once. |
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| chrisis1033 | 24 Mar 2007, 23:34 Post #13 |
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Here is a link that explains it quite well... along with a chart for TOS and TNG... Some formulas also for those that are into that... :blink: http://www.star-fleet.com/ed/warp-chart.html :thumbsup: |
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| Anti Drone | 26 Mar 2007, 07:56 Post #14 |
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^ They also have that warp scale in the Star Trek Encyclopedia which is what I have been using. :biggrin: I think I may need to add a page to the site that includes it. But right now I have started work on the detail plan of the Bridge. I have decided to make this one taller than the others so I can include the entire front end of A Deck. I am really excited! It is going to be sweet! And Jedikate designing a starship is very much like designing a cruise ship or a passenger train. I did a lot of research into both so I would be able to endow the NX-01 with a real world sensibility. I have found that most people doing plans like this get so caught up in the "wow" factors like the weapons and the tech that they forget about crew support. I have also run into a lot of resistance about the scientific labs on board which is something else that is forgotten about. More than a few people have chastised me for dedicating so much space to research. It has been such a problem that I am working on a page explaining the scientific mission that the NX-01 would be on. I am also cooking up a page about stellar navigation too. Most people don’t understand that either. I have so much more to do! Thanks folks. Keep it coming. |
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| Captain X | 26 Mar 2007, 08:14 Post #15 |
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Well, for what it's worth, as an aspiring engineer I appreciate the attention to detail that you're putting into this stuff.
:) So what do these people think all the space is taken up by? |
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| Jedikatie | 26 Mar 2007, 08:15 Post #16 |
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^ Well I wouldn't chastise you for adding science labs... after all, their attitude in the first episode was clearly 'oh we probably won't even need weapons out here' (really kind of naive, actually) so I can see perfectly well why you would have so many labs on the ship. They thought they were going to be exploring, not ending up fighting. :) I appreciate the thought that you've put into these plans. And I agree most people tend to focus on the things that they find really cool and tend to ignore the little things that are necessary for everyday life on a ship. :thumbsup: Oh, I knew that the warp scale changed between TOS and TNG, I just wonder if maybe it might have changed between Enterprise and TOS as well. Either that or else it took a long time to design a ship that could go that warp 8 or so that I can remember Kirk using on more than one occasion. I mean, weren't they about to launch the new warp 7 capable ships in that laughable "valentine" which followed Terra Prime? Just seems like that's an awful long time to be stuck at warp 7 or so, when you've just pooled the resources and knowledge of various worlds that have had warp technology far longer than humans have... I really wish I still had my old copy of Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise. It's been too long since I've read the tech specs of Kirk's Enterprise so I could make some intelligent guesses on what's going on with the NX-01. Maybe I'll see if they have any old copies up for sale on Amazon... |
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| chrisis1033 | 26 Mar 2007, 09:25 Post #17 |
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I have that book right here... Its the guide for the Refit Enterprise... Was there a particular section you were refering to JK? And... The NX-01 was supposed to be a research ship... I would hope that most of it would be dedicated to science labs/cargo space etc.... |
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| Anti Drone | 26 Mar 2007, 09:29 Post #18 |
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^ I have lost my copy as well and have been looking for a replacement. It would really help me put the finishing touches on my warp core theories. There are a few floating around but I want a new copy. :eek3: And CaptainX I have been told that the crew should have more quarters rather than research labs. Right now as it stands there are enough quarters for a maximum of 160 people if need be (that includes people doubling up). I don't think that is something to be sniffed at. I also would like to point out that things like stellar cartography would be vitally important to the ship. That is why it takes up most of B Deck. Even though they may have the Vulcan starcharts navigating into unknown space without making sure you know where you are going and where you have been would be suicide especially in the complete vastness of interstellar space. Most stellar references are light years apart so keeping a close eye on your location would be exceedingly difficult. And from the information given out by Doug Drexler and Mike Okuda, the TOS warp scale is the one they used on Enterprise. Posted Image |
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| Jedikatie | 26 Mar 2007, 09:48 Post #19 |
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^ Cool. Didn't know they'd said as much about the warp scale between Enterprise and TOS. :) Works for me, then. Must have taken them a long time to work out how to get to warp 8, then, if they got to warp 7 in 2161... Amazon's got several copies of Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise listed (under their 'associated sellers' or whatever they call those bookstores that aren't Amazon itself that list on their site) actually. If you want a really cheap copy, apparently there's one for sale for 35 cents, though I didn't look to see what condition it was in. They've got both hardback and softback copies, though, of it. Ebay also has several copies up for auction. There wasn't anything in particular I was thinking of chris, I just wanted the book in general because I remember it talking about the various sections on the ship, and I wanted to see what it said. I also used to have the old Star Trek Technical Manual (for the original series as opposed to the TNG copy, which I did have as well, but wouldn't be as much help considering that's 200 years past the time frame we're talking about now) and that had information in it on the ship too... makes me wish I'd bought the copies of both books, actually, at one of the conventions I'd gone to last year... Also, Anti Drone, would you mind if I put a link to your NX-01 blueprints site on Triaxian Silk? We're an Enterprise fanfic site (mostly our fic is TnT related or centered on Trip or T'Pol specifically, though there's some fanfic for various Vulcans who appeared on the show as well) which picked up the torch after the House of Tucker closed to new fanfiction at the end of last year. I know that there's quite a few authors that may find your blueprints very helpful when they're plotting out stuff in their stories... |
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| chrisis1033 | 26 Mar 2007, 09:50 Post #20 |
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If I recall correctly, the production designer and the design team took a tour of a Nuclear Sub and tried to base the interior of the NX-01 on many things they observed on the sub. That was from an interview in the DVD special Features. Think how little space is spent on crew quarters on a sub! I think you are right on track! |
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