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| Topic Started: 3 Jun 2007, 09:50 (11,816 Views) | |
| Kevin Thomas Riley | 7 Jun 2007, 15:28 Post #21 |
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And that can be explained in such a way that those germs or whatever it was that T'Pol caught in Bounty, artificially induced pon farr in her, in much the same way as a Vulcan male in heat would. Thus the fact that only males have the seven year itch can be preserved even after this episode. |
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| chrisis1033 | 7 Jun 2007, 15:45 Post #22 |
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Klingons have two hearts... don't they? :biggrin: |
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| Captain X | 7 Jun 2007, 15:47 Post #23 |
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I know they have three lungs. |
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| chrisis1033 | 7 Jun 2007, 15:49 Post #24 |
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I recall something about how all their major organs are duplicated... |
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| Oldguyy | 7 Jun 2007, 15:54 Post #25 |
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Rigel, Copper based Blood? T Pol would be Green, perhaps bright Green. (that would give the makeup lads a headache having to paint her Green all of the time.) Vulcans are supposed to be Carbon based Bipedal Oxygen breathing Humanoids. Copper is a poor carrier of Oxygen. Oxygen oxiydizes Copper Hence the green color of the Blood. Oxygen breaks down Copper (like Iron you expose Copper to oxygen it oxydizes (Iron Rusts and Copper turns Green but after a while both Iron and Copper Oxydizes away.) Been 50 years since I was in School. I can't even remember the compositin of Human Blood. I have never read anything about Copper Based Green Blood. Although I am fairly certain that it would take Argon, Neon or one of the NObel gases for the Copper based Blood to functin properly. Not Oxygen. Reason that Humans have different Skin color is the function of Mellatonin . Blood color is the same in all humans. That is why I say that T Pol would be green. Look at the Andorians, they are Blue. Colbalt based Blood. God knows what gas they would breath. Not Oxygen. I believe that some writer is pulling a lot of Legs. Oxygen oxidizes Copper and Oxygen Binds to Copper very closely (which continues the oxidation process. By binding so closely to the Copper the Oxygen would not be relleased to the Organs and Muscels it would just remain bound to the Copper. Causing the Organs and Muscels to die of Oxygen starvation. If the Vulcans breathe oxygen then their bodies are depending on it. We have trace amounts of Copper and other metals in our bodies but when those enter our bodies they go immediately to the Organs that uses them. I am not sure how much Iron is in our bloodstream. I bet (not sure anymore) that most of the Iron in our bodies is located in the Organs. I am probably wrong but as I say, it has been 50 years since I have been in school and I have yet to come across an Article about Copper based Green Blood. I still doubt that an Oxygen breathing Humanoid could survive with Copper based Green Blood. Please correct me if I am wrong I am always willing to Learn |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 7 Jun 2007, 15:57 Post #26 |
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Trek science and real science isn't always the same thing! :wink: |
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| Oldguyy | 7 Jun 2007, 15:58 Post #27 |
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Reanok, Thank you so much for the information. I will write down e names of those Tmes and try to find them. Again, my Thanks |
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| Reanok | 7 Jun 2007, 16:02 Post #28 |
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:guffaw: Oldguy You're welcome these books are really good. I have another book that has all kinds of information about the trek series and Vulcans ,I'll try to post the title and the author tomorrow.That's certainly true about made up science when it has to do with the Vulcans.Some of the old Startrek Communicator magazines had a bunch of articles about the Vulcans and Romulans and the science about their planet being of heavier gravity the biology of Vulcans. How they had to survive such a harsh desert climate and their history too bad I have them packed away .They were good articles. |
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| Oldguyy | 7 Jun 2007, 22:32 Post #29 |
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I too heaRD in a VoyGER episode that Klingons had three lungs. Great for a species that for entertainment beat the Crap out of each other. Never heard that they had two Hearts. The Heart being near the Liver would allow ythe upper and lower intestine to press down on the Heart resttricting its ability to beat. Also would place the Heart far away from the Lungs. Screw Scifi science from real science. Good writers Knew better and had faiith that their fans had a brain. I am not even sure if a Copper based Green Blood would be warm or cold. Imagine Trip grabbing holt of T Pol and ezclaiming "you are as cold as a Mackrel, a Dead one. T Pol has Greeen Blood she is going to be Green. Ah well, anyone for a nice Andorian Blue? |
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| Reanok | 8 Jun 2007, 08:17 Post #30 |
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OldGuyy here's the list of Vulcan books by Josepha Sherman and Susan Shwartz 1 Vulcan's Forge2 Vulcan's heart . Vulcan Soul trilogy Book 1 Exodus2 Exiles 3 Epiphany and a book that is really good that has listed alot of Vulcan references is Star trek Chronology History f The Future by Denise and Micheal Okuda unfortunately it hasn't been updated with any of the more recent movies and none of Enterprises' four season and all the Vulcan episodes would be so handy. |
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| Oldguyy | 8 Jun 2007, 12:49 Post #31 |
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Reanok, You Sir are much appreciated. |
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| Captain X | 8 Jun 2007, 16:03 Post #32 |
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Heh, that'd be "ma'am" in her case. ;) |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 8 Jun 2007, 16:23 Post #33 |
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Well, for what it's worth, Star Trek canon says that Vulcan body temperature is higher than in humans. |
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| Oldguyy | 8 Jun 2007, 20:36 Post #34 |
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Reanok, Thank you Maam. Can't tell much by these Avatars or names. Must tread carefully in future then. Not wanting to trod on any toes with a wrong remark. |
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| Oldguyy | 8 Jun 2007, 20:39 Post #35 |
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Kevin, Higher body Temp.? Why? I thought Vulcan was a Desert world rather than an ice cube. These Vulcans are strange birds. |
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| Oldguyy | 8 Jun 2007, 20:50 Post #36 |
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So, Andorians. The Blue people. From what I gather they seem to be fairly frendly toward Humans. As with Vulcans I am not up to speed on Andorians. They seem to be on the outs with Vulcans. Is their technology of a high order? vULCANS SEEM TO LABEL EVERYTHING HUMANS WANT AS "cLASSIFIED" Do the Andorians have anything that Humans could use they might share? I like the Blue color but not the Horns. Silver Hair goes well. It seems that Archer got the Enterprise and Earth in the middle of a dispute betweens Vulcan and Andorians over a listening post hidden in a Vulcan Monestry. What can you telll me about the Andorians in a brief note |
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| T'Parm | 8 Jun 2007, 21:31 Post #37 |
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Hey Oldguyy, I'm glad you enjoy the show and want to know more. Those are antenna on the Andorians rather than horns. They move according to how the Andorian is feeling. Most of what we know about the Andorians comes from Enterprise, there were only two episodes of TOS with Andorians and on one of them he was just an extra. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 9 Jun 2007, 14:30 Post #38 |
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Well, I didn't make it up, but it's what canon tells us. As for the Andorian anntennae, they're for balance. Remember that Shran got a little wobbly after Archer cut one of them off. |
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| Oldguyy | 10 Jun 2007, 11:21 Post #39 |
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Andorians: We have a fairly clean slate then. Antenna? Perhaps they are telepathic? Seems that would be more useful for an antenna than balance. Let us assume that the Blue color comes from their Blood color. Perhaps it is Colbalt based Blood. Nice color Colbalt Blue. Seems that this Captain that Archer is froendly with and has met or helped a couple times belongs to the "Imperial Guard" Suggesting an Empire. No matter how large or small. I wonder, are the Andorians small in stature or tall. Maybe we can make our own Canon regarding Andorians since none seems to exist. |
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| Oldguyy | 10 Jun 2007, 11:51 Post #40 |
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May I digress a bit? I cut my SciFi teeth on Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers Seriels and Comic Strips. Seriels were made after I was Born but I watched them when I was about Eight. In the Seriels, there was a cardboard (crude) Space ship shape with a Spark Generator glued to the back of it. You could see the wires attached to the Cardboard "Spaceshp" When a Ray Gun was shot a lightening Bold was etched on to the film. State of the Ar tin those days. Mid 40's saw some grade triple Z films that wee so bad they made up the "B" side of a double feature in smaler towns. In the Early 50's there were Four films that had some intelligence behind them: Destination Moon, It had a stab at technology. It tried to show what the producers thought the Earth would look lke from the Moon. War of the Worlds Also good for its day, When Worlds collide and Rocket Ship XM. Well done with some intelligence and good writing behind the films. Generally didn't make production costs back. Then, came Star Trek!!!! Every episode broke new ground. There were some great episode and some so bad it was embarassing. But it was the fist time that SciFi was presented as it should have been rather than as a laughing stock. A couple episodes stand out in my mind: Empath. One of the best as far as I am concerned. Another when Spock is sent on a mission to steal the secret of the Romulan Cloaking device. In it is a Female Romulan Commander. There was quite a chemistry between Spock and her. Spck failed in his missin and the Female Commander allowed him to escape. There were some others but those two come to mind. Star Wars. Star Trek assured that Star Wars could be made. That opening scene of the small space ship and then the huge ship so large that it could take the small ship in to its hold. My jaw dropped when I saw that. I wanted to stand up and cheer and tell all those who had laughed at me for reading SciFi that this is the future you were laughing at. Of course you know the rest. TNG, DS9, Voyager and lastly Enterprise. A mixed bag due to the fact hat the Paramount Executives favorite color was Currency Green. I go back a long way. Through the Golden Age of written SciFi. When the Giants of SciFi writing were at their peak. So, I may not be up on the latest and it shows. But I damned sure spot tired old Plots and cliches which seem to fill both Voyager and Enterprise. |
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