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| Oldguyy | 28 Sep 2008, 08:35 Post #781 |
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CX, Why i n Hell would he want her to take offense? He should have been trying to get into her good graces and trying to help her fit in to the Enterprise crew. Not Pissing her off. Doesn't make sense at all. As I said, she didn't invite or encourage such vfamiitarity so why did Archer act like such an Asshole? Again, why didn't T-Pol take offense, maybe deck him for touching her in such a way. She should have at least told him to keep his hands off her. Must have been some reason that TPTB had that scene in the episode. |
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| Captain X | 28 Sep 2008, 08:42 Post #782 |
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He doesn't like her, that's why he'd want her to take offense. Just look at how he treats her otherwise. He supposedly has this chip on his shoulder involving Vulcans, and now he has one as a first officer. |
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| Oldguyy | 28 Sep 2008, 08:50 Post #783 |
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CX, Was she first officer? Still haven't seen anything about her being appointed first officer in series. As I say, I was confused as to who was in command on the Planet Surface, Trip or T-Pol. At times it was Trip giving orders and other times Archer seemingly treatingT-Pol as if she was in command. That Damned first officer crap. Should have been Trip all along. would have made series better in the long run and could have cut down so much of ARcher T-Pol meeting in his quarters and going out o shuttle pod together. Which didn't set too well with me. |
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| Captain X | 28 Sep 2008, 11:07 Post #784 |
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They established her as first officer in the pilot episode. |
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| Oldguyy | 28 Sep 2008, 12:05 Post #785 |
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CX, have first episode(s) taped and will look for that. Still cannot see Star Fleet going along with it. They were going out into deep Space against the Vulcans advice and would suspect T-Pol of intending on sabotaging the Enterprise, the Mission or both if she had a chance and being first Officer would give here that chance. Besides Humans were pissed at vulcans anyway. Cannot see them caving in enough to allow T-Pol to be designated first officer on a Human Star Ship. Of course that is the damned writers. |
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| giulene | 29 Sep 2008, 12:42 Post #786 |
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Oldguyy, in the pilot episode coming back from Kronos the Klingon Planet, Archer asks T'pol to stay on Enterprise as science officer and first officer if she agreed |
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| Oldguyy | 29 Sep 2008, 14:10 Post #787 |
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Guilene, That is just it. Archer could NOT do that. He would have to go to Star Fleet command. She was not a Star Fleet Officer nor in the enterprise chain of command. Trip was the second highest Ranking Officer on board. Acccording to Regulations he would be First Officer. Archer could NOT appoint someone to replace him unless Trip was out of it or Dead. Otherwise Trip ws it. Damned writers didn't know squat about military protocol. Archer appointing T-Pol First Officer would be like a commander appointinng a French Farmer to first Officer of his command. T-Pol was a Vulcan Officer and no matter what her Rank in the Vulcan muilitary it cut no ice in Star Fleet and in the Enterprise Chain of comand. It was a Human Starship and officered by Humans. Besides she would have to go back to her own command for thieir okay. They may have said no for fear that something would go wrong when she was in comand of the Enterprise as First Offficer and she would be blamed for sabotaging Enterprise and the Mission. No way could Archer appoint her First Officer. He would be riskiiing Court Martial for breaking Star Fleet Regulations. Also, Trrip could legitimatly complain to Star Fleet that Archer was Ursurping his place in the Chain of command and would probably have his complaint backed up by the Star flet high command. |
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| giulene | 29 Sep 2008, 14:50 Post #788 |
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probably it was finally the star fleet high command, but I dont recall that is seen. |
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| T'Parm | 29 Sep 2008, 15:45 Post #789 |
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Hey Oldguy when I was in the US Army I was stationed in Korea, some of the troops in my company were KATUSA's, These men were in the Korean Army, however they worked with us, those with higher rank were assigned leadership over troops with lesser rank. It did not matter which country we served we worked together. |
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| Oldguyy | 29 Sep 2008, 17:23 Post #790 |
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T-Parm you coulld have isolated incidents like that where troops from different armies could work together but at the end of the day each still took their orders from Officers of thier own Army. When I was in the Air Force 50 some years ao if I saw an Officeer from a foreign Air fiorce I would Salute hm, say Yes Sir, No Sir, etc. VEry respectful of his rank. owever, I still took orders only from an Officer in the U.S Air Force and if the Foreign Officer got insistent I would just tell him that I only took orders from a U.s. Officer or commander. One film I always liked because it ws fairly accurate was a Bridge too Far. In it an American General wanted a British Colonel (perhaps a Major) to get his troops moving. the Brit politely told the american General he could not and would not do it until he received orders from a British Officer or British High Command and the american Gerneral was helpless to do anything but fume. You would be surprised how touchy armies from different countries are about this sort of thing. It can conffuse the troops if they are required to take command from any foreign Officer or NCO who walks up to them and starts giving out orders. |
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| Oldguyy | 29 Sep 2008, 17:45 Post #791 |
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Guilene, Doubt if Star Fleet High Command would do this. Change in the Military is Glacial and the Military hates setting precedent. That would be arisky precedent to set. You could possibly have Ship commmanders appointing Andorians, Tellireites, Klingons, whatever as Fiirst Officers and point to the Vulcan precedent as justificationn for thier action. Military hates change, It is a very conseervative entity that way, |
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| Oldguyy | 30 Sep 2008, 09:19 Post #792 |
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Humor. As Sipovic says in his review of Voyager that series had some humourous episodes. One thing lacking in enterprise was Humor. Oh, there was a couple attempts at Humor but as fart as I amconcerned they failed. In episode where Trip got pregnant it could have worked well as a Humerous episode but the humor was downplayed. Two things in the episode was not needed the Klingons. Why they were intected in the last ten minutes of episode is beyond me. Didn't do a thng at all for the episode. Second T-Pol being a bitch. She told entire crew that Trip was pregnant although she swore she would not tell and at the end she twists the knife by telling him that he is the only human male to beccome Pregnant. ANIS was supposed to be a comedy. Failed miserablly. Had they left out that Crap about the sexual tension over T-Pol and Phlox determination to keep bringing it up and just concentrated on Archers delimina over the consequences of his Dog pissing on a tree it may haev had some humor in it. The stupid ending with Archer looking like a clown and cuttng up that ttree stunk. The only real humor I can recall in the series was in North Star where T-Pol is in grip of baddie (a very old and tired cliche) and he says I am gong to kill her, etc. Reed shoots her, shrugs and then shoots the baddie. Obviousluy the writers were having an in joke there. A Play on that old chesnut that is seen so often when writers cannot think of anything else. There was just not any real humor at all in any episode of Enterprise. It may have helped the series although I am not sure anything could have saved the series from bad writing and the Bobbsie twins. Edited by Oldguyy, 30 Sep 2008, 10:29.
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| giulene | 30 Sep 2008, 12:44 Post #793 |
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In the pregnant episode, I dont recall the title, Trip supposes T'pol told to the crew his pregnancy, but T'pol couldnt for her vulcanian nature; Trip is shocked by his situation and thinks or believes the cre w laughing. :hyper: |
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| Oldguyy | 30 Sep 2008, 14:08 Post #794 |
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Guilene, Trip did NOT tell the crew even accuses T-Pol of doing it. Yes he is sure the crew is laughing at him. |
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| Oldguyy | 2 Oct 2008, 16:05 Post #795 |
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In series Trip seemed to have second largest quarters. Archers was on left side of Enterprise and he had window looking out on to Space as Stars were flashing by the winndow. Archer also had a double Bed and couch in his quarters. Perhaps not in same part of quarters T-Pol was once shown sitting on that Couch. Trip had quarters on right side with window looking out in space as stars were zipping by his window. He had a Diving Helmet on a shelf. Trip also had a couch (sim was seen on it petting the mutt.) I am assuming that Trips quarrters were about the same size as Archers. So he must have had a bed rather than a Bunk as the other Officers seemed to have. T-Pol certainly had a Bunk and not a Bed as did Hoshi. I cannot recalll ever seeing Trips Bed. Anyone remember any episode which showed Trips quarters more completely? If he had a Bed or a Large Bunk? |
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| giulene | 3 Oct 2008, 11:03 Post #796 |
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OLDGUYY, I never seen Trip's quarter entirely, but rmember a commented episode (maybe the first??) in which B&B said T'pol's quarter was in front of Archer's quarter. |
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| giulene | 3 Oct 2008, 11:40 Post #797 |
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I wanna delete my post and rewrites better but pushing delete error comes. |
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| Oldguyy | 3 Oct 2008, 13:52 Post #798 |
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Guilene, If you see some Episodes where Trips quarters are shown you will see he has a window looking out into space as you can see the Stars zipping. He is on the right hand of the ship. ARchers quarters has a window looking out into space and you can see the stars zipping by Archers quarters are on the left side of the ship as you can seee by the winndows. So Trips cannot be ahead of Archers. I know that Archers seem to be just off the Bridge but have no idea exctly where Trips are located. BTW, at end of second part of Broken Bow, Archer asks T-Pol to stay on enterprise as Science Officer not as first officer she says she will ask her superiooors. So I still don't know where T-Pol was designated First Officer. |
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| giulene | 3 Oct 2008, 14:34 Post #799 |
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Surely these scenes never 'd been filmed, me too dont remember these one. These days I'm watching again Enterprise from the beginning but never seen these moments. |
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| Oldguyy | 3 Oct 2008, 14:51 Post #800 |
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These scenes probably are coming up later in the season or in season two or three but they are there. Did you watch the end of Broken Bow? If you did you must have heard ARcher just ask T-Pol to say on board as Science Officer no mention was made of First Officer. |
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