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| Divergent Paths; aka The "What If" game... | |
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| Topic Started: 23 Sep 2006, 14:27 (5,148 Views) | |
| Rigil Kent | 23 Sep 2006, 14:27 Post #1 |
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My latest attempt to spur conversation here. How about a couple of you slackers start some threads too? :rasberry: My intent here is simple: someone establishes a "what if" scenario and someone else answers it with a plausible result. If possible, let's avoid overly sappy "And TnT lived happily ever after" sort of answers and try to keep it grounded in the characterizations on the show instead of how we'd like them to act. Further, let's put some thought into the results ... no :spam: answers like chrisis1033 or KTR like to throw out. :rasberry: So, starting off, my scenario is based on the cliffhanger ending of Zero Hour. What if Jonathan Archer had actually died on the Xindi sphere? |
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| JiNX-01 | 23 Sep 2006, 15:07 Post #2 |
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kwitcherbitchin'! :frying pan: at least we're responding! -- T'Pol would marry Trip (Archer's death having brought her the realization that life is too short and precarious to waste married to an asshole). -- She would have Soval pull strings to get her assigned as a civilian scientist on NX-01 so she can be with her husband, Capt. Charles Tucker III, deciding that she (1) doesn't wish to be Earthbound during her stint as a cadet; (2) she doesn't wish to risk being assigned to a different ship (since SF might decide to eschew the impolitic option of assigning her to NX-01, lest others view it as favoritism. -- Trip proves to be a very good captain. -- Malcolm would become XO. -- Travis would be transferred to security. -- Hoshi would add Trip's unofficial duties as morale officer to her job and become the ship's official protocol officer as the crew find themselves dividing their time between alliance building and exploration. -- Lt. Michael Stiles, Terra Prime sympathizer, would join the crew as tactical officer. -- Feezal would stop by for a visit and try to get TnT'P to join her and Phlox in foursies. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 23 Sep 2006, 15:10 Post #3 |
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The rest of the NX-01 crew would have a harder time enlisting tha aid of the resistance since there'd be no Archer that was taken care off by Alicia. But I think they would've managed anyway, with the help of the info given to them by Daniels and Silik. Back on Earth in the proper time, I think the NX-01 would've gotten a new Captain. I don't think they'd stick a newly commissioned T'Pol in the big chair. Neither do I think Tucker would be ready for it, or even want that job. Erika Hernandez might be a good choice. ***** What if Shran hadn't found, and helped, Trip and Reed, when they were down on Coridan snooping around? (Shadows of P'Jem) |
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| Captain X | 23 Sep 2006, 15:21 Post #4 |
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Easy, they'd have been captured too, since they weren't exactly the kind that snuck around very well. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 23 Sep 2006, 16:19 Post #5 |
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^ And then...? |
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| Captain X | 23 Sep 2006, 16:22 Post #6 |
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They probably would have been killed when the Vulcans, of all people, charged in guns blazing. |
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| Rigil Kent | 23 Sep 2006, 18:14 Post #7 |
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^^ Which would then result in Archer's biases toward Vulcans at this stage increasing exponentially as he blames them for the death of his best friend, Trip. This hostility toward the Vulcans would eventually culminate in T'Pol leaving Enterprise since she would no longer feel as though her presence was desired and would likely, in fact, feel that Archer wanted her gone. Beyond that, I've got nothing... |
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| JiNX-01 | 23 Sep 2006, 18:27 Post #8 |
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Once Trip is dead, Archer and T'Pol would do the boob plunge again -- this time buck naked. Because, as we all know, a very good case has been made that A/T'P would get together were it not for Trip. Oh, and fraternization. But since Archer will -- because he's is Trip's best bud -- kill all those Vulcans responsible for Trip's untimely death -- he'll be kicked out of Star Fleet. Then he'll go on a quest for a space ship that he heard was captured from the future by the Tholians... |
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| Rigil Kent | 23 Sep 2006, 18:32 Post #9 |
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Ugh. Honestly, that's all I have to say about that. Although I would argue that a "good" case has ever been made for AinT ... you know, since one half of that "ship" basically told the other half that only in his dreams would it happen... |
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| Mitchell | 23 Sep 2006, 18:47 Post #10 |
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:blink: Would the High Rankin Vulcan of that Vulcan attack fleet, really gone through with the order from V'las to "Destroy Enterprise."? I think even a duty bound Vulcan military man/women would stop an ask themselves "Where exactly is the logic in destroying the Flagship of your worlds Greatest Ally?" Sure Enterprise was takin fire for the Andorians, but they were just running interfearance for the Andorians. I bet any capable Vulcan Commander would of realised it would be far safer to disable the Enterprise, an just destroy the Androian vessels if possible. :vulcan: May not be the best military option, but it may have prevented Earth from declairing War along with the Androians against Vulcan. :shrug: :wink: Ok What if Starfleet was a true blue military org, makin Enterprise A true Blue Military vessel when it entered the expanse? :angel: |
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| Valerian | 23 Sep 2006, 19:00 Post #11 |
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If the Enterprise was a true blue military vessel with a true blue military crew they would not have lasted a month. What are they gonna do? Fly up to the Xindi and say our one little ship is gonna totally blow up your weapon while dozens of Xindi ships are surrounding them laughing? |
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| Rigil Kent | 23 Sep 2006, 19:08 Post #12 |
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If it was a true military ship, it wouldn't be by itself either. It would be operating in a strike group consisting of a number other ships all with actual specialites. I'd also argue that ENT could be effective in such a situation. Imagine if the MACOs were like SEALs and they were used as infilitration and assassins. |
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| Valerian | 23 Sep 2006, 19:14 Post #13 |
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I agree with that except that means Starfleet probably would have fought off that lame first attack since Earth would have actually been defended for the first time in Star Trek history. On top of that, if we had developed a fleet capable of defense we most likely would have been a bit less willing to follow Vulcan "guidance" and if they decided like they did in the TV show not to help their would be no relationship then at that point. What if Archer had followed in his father's footsteps and became Enterprise's first Chief Engineer rather than its Captain? |
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| Mitchell | 23 Sep 2006, 19:29 Post #14 |
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Actualy they still probably wouldnt of been able to fight off the 1st attack. That first weapon came out of that vortex real close to Earth. And then it fired. I dont think their was enough time to give a proper military responce to that attack before the ship selfdestructed. An Yeah Enterprise would of with out a doubt not been alone. An that task force wouldnt of been the only one sent into the Expance. Also Enterprise would of been a Cruiser at best. Since Trek was never big on fighters, the largest vessel would of been some form of Battleship, which would of probably been the type of ships that were ment to take out the Big weapon ship. :wink: An if the Macos had been repalced by Seals, then hell theirs no doubt the Xindi War would of ended earlier. :thumbsup:
Enterprise would of Launched years later then it did. :vulcan: The show itself has pretty much back this up, it took a Tucker to get that engine up an runnin, not a Archer. :wink: So in the big picture, Earth an the universe would of been destroyed if Jon Archer had been chief engineer. :angel: |
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| Valerian | 23 Sep 2006, 19:37 Post #15 |
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If Earth had been properly defended ground based and satellite based phase canons and photonic torpedos would have opened up on the weapon immediately. We still could have been hit but the damage would have been far less significant.
:rofl: :lol2: :woot: Never mind the fact Archer still would not have gotten any sweet T'Pol poontang. :devil: |
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| Rigil Kent | 24 Sep 2006, 08:51 Post #16 |
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Come on, guys and gals. Let's try to keep the character bashing to a minimum. Yes, many of us (most?) have nothing but contempt for the AinT "ship", but let's not let that sort of thing clog this up. I'm guilty of it too but I am trying to get better ... :thumbsup: Since no one has proposed a new question, I've got one: What would have happened (in the great scheme of things) if it had been T'Pol (as it should have been) who carried Surak's katra instead of Archer? |
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| Captain X | 24 Sep 2006, 11:09 Post #17 |
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Poor woman probably would have ended up even more confused.... Really though, I'd hope that Surak would have had a chat with her about Trip that would have gotten her to not drop him like a hot potato, and would have spared us all that useless angst. |
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| JiNX-01 | 24 Sep 2006, 12:52 Post #18 |
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Surak would have had a nice long chat with her about the illogic of continuing in a marriage that provides no companionship. If Koss could divorce her, she presumably had the right to divorce him. And since he basically blackmailed her into complying with the marriage contract, I should think an annulment would be called for. Since Surak appears to appreciate humans when he inhabits Archer's mind (IDIC, after all), I doubt he would have objected to Trip, even if other Vulcans would disapprove. And apparently katras are omniscient, so he'd know that Trip is a good man and a suitable life partner for T'Pol. Going off on a tangent: I disagree with those who think T'Pol should have been the one to carry Surak's katra. Consider this: After her experiences in the Vulcan arc, T'Pol goes back to her job where she studies and embraces Kir'Shara. But for a non-believer, carrying Surak's katra would be a "road to Damascus" kind of experience and I would expect it to inspire her not just to embrace Kir'Shara, but do so with zeal. I don't mean zeal that makes her into some kind of radical "logic is the only right way to live" nitwit, rather the kind of zeal that makes you quit your 7-figures-a-year-plus-bonus-and-perks job to go live simply among the poor in *insert your favorite poverty-stricken location here*. After such an extraordinary experience, I just don't picture her wanting to return to NX-01 to scan nebulae, gnaw on salad and jerk Trip around. |
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| Rigil Kent | 24 Sep 2006, 13:32 Post #19 |
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In part, I agree with you there, JiNX: T'Pol carrying the katra of Surak would be one of those moments of perfect clarity for her. However, I disagree that it should not have been her carrying it and I can easily find a reason why she would return to Enterprise. My thinking behind wanting her to carry it instead of Super!Archer is pretty simple: after all of the absolute crap that she's been through and how terrible her reputation is among Vulcans, this would be a way for her to be redeemed in the eyes of her people. It annoyed the piss out of me to see Super!Archer running around on Vulcan after the katra (so ... he's able to go toe-to-toe with Vulcans ... on their native planet ... with its thinner oxygen content ... and higher gravity ... after hours of intense physical effort ... with no discernible drawbacks? :rolleyesrequest: Kirk was gasping for breath mere minutes after exerting himself on Vulcan. I'm sorry, but that's just crap writing, no matter how you cut it.) And as to her deciding to give up the life of a scientist, that could be the gnawing question she suffers after returning to ENT. "Am I doing the right thing?" Not to mention, she's always struck me as someone who wasn't very comfortable around lots of people and as the Holder of Surak's Katra, she would face a significant increase of people trying to be near her or hear her words, that sort of thing. Enterprise would be her way to escape that sort of thing until she's sure exactly what she wants to do or what logic dictates her to do. For some reason, I'm reminded of G'Kar from Babylon 5... Now it's your turn. Propose a "What If" question... |
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| JiNX-01 | 24 Sep 2006, 14:05 Post #20 |
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I'll start here. Why does she need Surak's katra to win redemption? Because Vulcans like Capt. Vanik disapprove of her choices? The fact is, that Kir'Shara is The Vulcan Way that calls upon Vulcans to truly embrace the principals of IDIC. It's not just a symbol. It's a way of life. All of Vulcan will be changed by the discovery. It doesn't matter one whit who brings the Kir'Shara to light.
He ain't heavy, he's my katra. Even if Archer should have had trouble breathing, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be the one to to carry the katra. Could she have carried it? Sure. But I still think that having her play the "outsider"/devil's advocate in all of this -- especially with her mother involved with the Surrannites -- gives her that journey everybody wants her to have, but it's a journey of finding faith, not proof. "Blest are they who believe but have not seen..."
I don't believe that T'Pol would hide from her people, however she feels about crowds. If they wanted/needed her, she'd be there. She would do it for her mother's and father's memories. She would do because the needs of the many...
Coming right up. ETA: after I get to work. I have to be there in 25 minutes. ETA: What if the Cogenitor had not committed suicide? |
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