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| Endeavour: Janus; A MU Endeavour fic | |
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| Topic Started: 10 Jul 2007, 09:43 (5,066 Views) | |
| Rigil Kent | 10 Jul 2007, 09:43 Post #1 |
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So, I've decided to try something whacky here in order to encourage some more conversation. As most of you probably already know, I received an email some time back wherein the reviewer mentioned wanting to read an Endeavour fic set in the Mirror Universe. This got me to thinking, which led to the following teaser being knocked out real quick...
Following that, I started thinking about the various plot ideas for the fic. Instead of keeping it secret until it was written (since this is more of a side project than anything else), I thought it would be interesting to get everyone's thoughts about the various ideas I had...
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| tennisgirl | 10 Jul 2007, 11:23 Post #2 |
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:hyper: I have no ideas at the moment, I'll definitely be giving this some serious thought. But dude, you do realize that after all this teasing, this merciless teasing, you just have to, you must, write this story, right? I MUST READ THIS STORY! :empire: |
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| Captain X | 10 Jul 2007, 14:55 Post #3 |
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Well, if you ever need an extra writer, I have dabbled in that sort of thing before. ;) :devil: |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 10 Jul 2007, 15:17 Post #4 |
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And MU Archer is really dead here? I suppose there will not be a MU Romulan war then. Why? Or has it been established that Romulus has already been defeated by the Empire by this time?
Duh! :duh: Now that part always bugged me on IaMD, since it implied that Vulcan females do undergo pon farr on their own. I you stand by canon (unless MU Vulcan biology is slightly different) then either T'Pol was lying to Tucker about being in pon farr, or she had it triggered in her by another Vulcan male, with whom she didn't want to go through with it. Now why didn't I think of the Mirror Bounty alternative? Makes a lot of sense.
This is a neat idea to tie events to the real Trekverse and how the Sphere Builders influenced the RU Xindi. But if there is a thermobaric cloud here in the MU too, then what is the motivations for this, since here in the MU there wouldn't be a need for it or the Sphere Builders to interfere. The SBs would watch from their dimension and use the images from the MU to influence the RU Xindi. Or am I missing something? |
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| T'Parm | 10 Jul 2007, 18:28 Post #5 |
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Perhaps the thermobaric cloud passes through the barriers between the universes, only the RU has the spheres and it is only in the RU that the Sphere Builders can be defeted but there is some cross over with the effects of the spheres. |
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| Rigil Kent | 10 Jul 2007, 19:02 Post #6 |
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As a doornail.
Who says that? I was thinking that the Xindi thing would be part of the ongoing E/R War. I really like T'Parm's idea too... |
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| tennisgirl | 10 Jul 2007, 19:33 Post #7 |
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Ok, I have questions: 1) Did Tucker and Sato... you know... before the scar or something? Was he in her little trail to power? The dialogue between T'Pol and her during the fight seems to suggest so, but then again it might be Sato just trying to get on T'Pol's nerves (and I think she does). 2) What did Sato think was the second thing Tucker would ask for? 3) What war are we talking about here? The one that keeps Trip from getting the heck out of there... 4) Ok, this isn't a question, but I have to say that I just love the "first mate" thing. It just evokes this little evil chuckle out of me... 5) How does the TnT relationship develop here? In the MU we saw, it was a lust/hate thing. Do they have a bond? Are they an actual couple or are they still in lust with each other? Is there love in this relationship? 6) I'd like to read how Eisler would relate to Reed... I think they'd hate each other. |
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| Rigil Kent | 10 Jul 2007, 20:02 Post #8 |
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1) Um ... maybe? If they did have sex, it would have been before T'Pol came aboard Enterprise. 2) Uh ...
3) Likely the Tholian conflict as well as the E/R War. 4) Me too. I suspect that it would infuriate T'Pol. 5) That's ... complicated. Lust/hate is an effective way to state it. There is likely a bond, although the extent of it I haven't figured out. By the end of the fic, they would reach an ... agreement, I guess. Or maybe a partnership is a better term. Is it love? I dunno... 6) Absolutely. Eisler is a better killing machine than Reed (and Reed hates him for it), and Reed is a threat to Eisler's principal (Tucker.) |
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| tennisgirl | 10 Jul 2007, 20:20 Post #9 |
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Thanks... I totally misread for question #2. I blame it on exhaustion. I really should be in bed by now... About the TnT question, I guess this would go along with the whole Jealous!T'Pol thing. I love Jealous!T'Pol; she's just so freaking amusing. And Jealous!MU T'Pol would be even better, man! But since the MU TnT chemistry is totally different, I'd wonder how this jealousy would play. Would T'Pol use sex as her weapon and that's why she doesn't want other females going after Trip? Another thing that pops into my mind is why would Trip turn away females other than T'Pol if there's no bond and he doesn't love her? Jeez, MU TnT is hard to figure out... and all the more interesting 'cause of it. :devil: I guess I won't have a chance to read about Mu Polly kicking MU Sato's behind, will I? :worried: :empire: |
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| Rigil Kent | 10 Jul 2007, 20:28 Post #10 |
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Not likely. I do kind of agree with you about the difficulty in figuring out MU TnT ... which, admittedly, is one of the reasons it's so interesting. With RU TnT, it's pretty obvious to people who AinT blinded by imaginary ships that the two are in love with one another but just can't seem to communicate properly. With MU TnT, it's a whole another ball game. I mean, are they just frak buddies? Or is there something deeper? Tucker's reaction to discovery that he had been used & betrayed seemed pretty hurt to me... |
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| chrisis1033 | 10 Jul 2007, 21:40 Post #11 |
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Eisler should kill MU Travis in brutal hand to hand combat when Travis tries to attack tucker.... :devil: :empire: :empire: :empire: :empire: |
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| sipovic | 10 Jul 2007, 23:50 Post #12 |
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It's all too good to be true... I will wait impatiently to read this one! :thumbsup: |
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| Captain X | 11 Jul 2007, 04:47 Post #13 |
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What about the rebellion of the Tellarites, Andorians, and Vulcan? |
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| Rigil Kent | 11 Jul 2007, 08:58 Post #14 |
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I dunno. The fic would be likely taking place some months (and possibly up to a year or more) after the end of IAMD 2, so the rebellion could conceivably have already been put down...thoughts?
Or, perhaps, "First Prince" Mayweather is making a play for the job of Emperor, and that's the assassination attempt I referenced... |
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| tennisgirl | 11 Jul 2007, 15:58 Post #15 |
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Hehehe, who knew Evil!Travis had it in him? You really should be careful of really quiet guys... Would Evil!Reed get promoted to First Prince then, and could Evil!Eisler kick his royal behind? Pretty please? I'm still rooting for T'Pol's revenge on Sato. :devil: :empire: |
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| Rigil Kent | 11 Jul 2007, 21:02 Post #16 |
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Don't bet on that last part ... unless your idea of "revenge" is ultimately being the one who Tucker sleeps next to every night. |
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| HTH2k | 12 Jul 2007, 00:07 Post #17 |
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Regarding the MU TnT dynamic, the love/hate take seems appropriate. Tucker is a member of the conquering empire that has crushed and enslaved several if not many other civilizations. His viewpoint would naturally be that of the superior culture per what he has been taught and seen throughout his life. However he also has an inner conflict quite similar to the MU Spock that may serve as the impetus that changes him and his views. Perhaps he doubts the devine right of humanity to suppress all other life forms and dominate the universe through force as the netural order. He has a chemical/physical attraction to T'Pol as well as a huge resentment for what she has done. There needs to be some key that allows him to percieve her as different than just another subjected being serving the empire. This key is what would allow them to develop some mechanism to work in close contact for an extended period. This would be requirted for an awareness to develop that maybe there is something other than a "enemy" or "subserviant" individual in the other. Something that is unlikely is the trust element. Unless there is some compelling reason for them to work/stay together long term for some greater good I don't see it happening. It would likely be very difficult for her to convince him to trust her though she would be able to discerne his motivations somewhat more easily. T'Pol would necessarily view the empire and all humans as evil beings that crush all before them and enslave those remaining. I do not see a Stockholm syndorme effect manifesting in her. T'Pol needs some compelling reason(s) to see Tucker as anything other than simply another enemy soldier to be used and destroyed if possible. As a Vulcan I do not see her allowing emotions to develop to any extent. She would need some logical reason to consider a partnership with Tucker or any human for that matter. This reason would need to be far beyond personal attraction that might develop. If that were the only active element she would play along until she had used him for all he was worth then terminate him. She might have some regrets later but would not hesitate if she felt he was no longer of value. I see her as very much in control, coldly claculating logical Vulcan. She however has the same chemical response as RU T'Pol to Tucker which likely is quite annoying for her. I think she would form the bond over time just as the Ru bond developed. However she would be able to suppress it though feeling the effects. Again logic and hatred of the empire would likely be her strong motivators along with loyalty to her Vulcan heritage. Perhaps this is where Trip's epiphany that the empire is doomed long term would be an effective motivation. How and when it manifests and develops may be an interesting exploration. How she finds out about his real motivations would be easy for you to work out. Placed in the events of an MU conflict pne may be able to spin a story that shows both of their journeys woven into a greater tale of struggle, conflict, treachery, attempted and completed assinations, conqust, rebellion, subjugation, revolution, greed, power, persuit of power, brutality, mercy, hatred, awakenings, pain, victory and defeat, blood and tears, the end of one epoch and the beginnings of another. HtH Not intended for internal use. Wash thoroughly after prolonged contact. |
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| krn | 12 Jul 2007, 06:34 Post #18 |
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Sounds like you've got enough material for more than one fic. I see Tucker as disillusioned with the Empire. He grew up thinking it was this great thing to be a part of, and he finds it's just as beaurocratic and disorganized as everything else. Greed didn't seem to be a motivater for him, anger is. T'Pol is his enigma - a slave, but his intellectual equal (or superior in some cases). Part of him says, as an alien, she should repulse him - but he's powerfully attracted to her. She doesn't 'bow' to him - and he not-so secretly likes it. She used him - and that pisses him off the most, becuase he actually trusted her. Never admited it, but he did. An tiny voice (begrudingly) acknowledges that she was only seeking her freedom. So why did she admit to mind-fraking him? Bragging? Salt in the wound? Guilt? She could have gotten away with it. (parallel to BTI when Trip admits to reading her letter) As for T'Pol - my personal take on 'Bounty' is that the plak'tou was triggered, but not full on pon'farr (as that would mean ovulation). So she got the fever and lust, but no baby. Phlox would find her situation funny, and so long as the bug was gone, he'd let her out of decon. She has NO regard for Phlox, so she certainly wouldn't come on to him -- so why did she go for Tucker? Why not another Vulcan? Obviously, they have their strong attraction, but this must bother her. Denial (as RU T'Pol also suffered from) keeps her from admitting the answer. She knows/understands his motivations - so does actually trust him (but, like him, would never admit it). But she knows he doesn't trust her anymore -- but that doesn't keep her out of his bed. I almost wonder if Tucker doesn't ...ahem... restrain her hands so she can't meld him as he sleeps..... This all comes from my musings about MU TnT - since I'm actually trying to come up with a follow up story to Disease/Addiction that some folks have asked for. Unfortuantly, that story has been slow in development - hitting some character-motivational stumbling blocks. You asked for opinions - so now you have mine. I offer the same disclaimer HTH2k does. Though I also reccomend not operating heavy machinery, as opinions may cause drowsyness. |
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| Rigil Kent | 12 Jul 2007, 08:05 Post #19 |
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Whoa. :eek3: |
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| krn | 12 Jul 2007, 08:34 Post #20 |
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so, did we impress him or scare him? |
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