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| A Song of Ice and Fire *spoilers all books*; by George R.R. Martin | |
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| Topic Started: 21 Oct 2007, 15:33 (1,592 Views) | |
| Kevin Thomas Riley | 11 Dec 2007, 15:10 Post #21 |
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Sometimes I wish I had a job were there was downtime. As it is, when it is "downtime", it means my work for the day (i.e. my pages for tomorrow's newspaper) is finished and I go home... |
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| Jedikatie | 11 Dec 2007, 15:21 Post #22 |
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Well, believe me, I'd much rather have a bit more work at the pet store right now. I was figuring that I'd at least get 20-25 hours a week there this month, and then next month get less hours as the other job picked up (since there's virtually no work at the other job this month). But with that 'manager in training' they hired, I'm only getting 17 hours each of the next two weeks, so I've got more free time whether I want it or not. :wacko: Anyway, back to the books... so somehow that red woman managed, in the space of an afternoon, to convert Stannis to her religion... Why do I sense that his cause is going to be sort of a religious crusade, converting the unbelievers along the way...? Or at least that's the impression I get from this first chapter from his POV. I could be wrong... |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 11 Dec 2007, 15:28 Post #23 |
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Yeah, Melisandre is a wicked woman. She's got certain abilities that will manifest themselves... Personally I do think the stories from the Stannis camp is one of the least interesting thus far. And the ones from Daenerys POV are almost completely removed from what happens elsewhere. I suppose that will change eventually, but it does make them "less urgent" to read than what's happening in Westeros. |
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| Jedikatie | 11 Dec 2007, 20:35 Post #24 |
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:lol: I noticed that one of the guys who was going to the Wall with Arya's group was named Koss... and he ended up getting killed by some of the Lannister people at the keep at God's Eye, when the men came to fire the empty town... And I keep expecting Arya to find her lost direwolf... though whether the wolf would still be friends with her or not, that I'm not so sure of. |
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| Jedikatie | 12 Dec 2007, 09:50 Post #25 |
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Hmmm... I'm almost halfway through the second book now. Seems like old King Robert was the only thing that was keeping the various lords in line, since each of them are vying to be the next king in his place, whether they have a valid claim or not. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 12 Dec 2007, 16:28 Post #26 |
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Dear Lord, you're going to overtake me in a few days! :eek3:
Yeah, pretty much! Makes one wonder if they weren't better off during Targaryen rule! |
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| Jedikatie | 12 Dec 2007, 16:49 Post #27 |
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^ I'll probably have this book finished by tomorrow night, after work, at the latest. Depends on if I spend most of tonight reading or not. What can I say, I tend to read fast if it's something that interests me. :shrug: Hmm... I see what you mean about the red woman and her "powers". I presume that she's the one who enabled the killer of Renly to slip into his tent virtually unnoticed--interesting how it seems that only Catelyn and that lady, Brienne, could see the killer, and even then only as a shadow... perhaps because they are women, and the spell (or whatever) was intended to hide the killer from the eyes of men? |
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| Jedikatie | 13 Dec 2007, 12:46 Post #28 |
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Well, I finished the second book. Probalby won't get done with the third, though, until Tuesday, since I've got to work tonight, tomorrow night, Sunday, and Monday night, so I won't have as much time to read this weekend. I kind of figured that Bran and Rickon were going to hide in the crypts from what that one guy told Bran in his dream. Especially after the part where Theon had the heads on the pikes, since in the dream they were in the crypt, yet he had the bodies burned and refused to put the bodies of the two he'd slain down there. So, because Daenerys brought the dragons back into the world, the old magics are working again, or at least, working better than they had been since the last dragon had died... At least that's what I get from her portion of the story (as well as the pyromancer's comment to Tyrion that the 'old spells' seemed to be working better now than they had been, and the question he asked of Tyrion, 'were any dragons around?' which implies that the dragons have something to do with the magic in the world). I still don't much care for Sansa. She's an idiot--did she really think that they would let her go, just because Joffrey's got himself a new fiancee? Though I doubt Cersei's right about him fathering bastards on her instead. Somehow, I think it's far more likely that Joffrey will just be his usual cruel, petty, spoiled little self to her, and quite probably inflict new torments on her. Or if Joffrey did get Sansa pregnant, he might well make her carry the child and then force her to lose it (after all, the kid would be high-born on both sides, and I rather doubt his new wife would want any competition for any potential lawful heirs that she might provide Joffrey). But then that's pure speculation on my part--but it certainly sounds like something he would do in the future. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 13 Dec 2007, 15:44 Post #29 |
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But you still think you'll finish it by Tuesday...! :eek3:
Yeah, I also guessed that they never actually left the castle. Even if he's bad, I never believed Theon would willfully have killed what amounted to his "foster brothers".
That's my understanding as well, that the dragons and magic are connected.
Well, any child by Joffrey and Sansa would be a bastard, and thus not eligible for succeeding to any throne. What I never understood is why Sansa decided to remain when she could've followed the Hound when he offered to bring her along when he left. So he's a rough fellow but still one of the few that did treat her somewhat decently. |
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| Jedikatie | 13 Dec 2007, 20:17 Post #30 |
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Yeah, I know Sansa and Joffrey's kids would be bastards--though look at how Cersei treated Robert's bastards: she had an innocent babe and her mother (among others) hunted down and killed to protect her son's right to the throne. Granted, part of that also has to do with the fact that she knows her children have no legal right to the throne and therefore she's eliminating any possible claimants that would be her husband's kids and would have at least his blood (which is undoubtedly enough for some people to rally around, even if they are a bastard, if they don't want the current ruler for whatever reason). But besides that, I can see Joffrey doing that with Sansa, just because he is a cruel and vindicative little brat who enjoys inflicting pain on others... Tuesday's about right for when I'll finish the next book. The third book's only a little over 1100 pages long... I'd have it done sooner, but we start holiday hours at the pet store tomorrow so that's at least an extra hour or so gone from tomorrow night and Monday night that I can't spend reading... |
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| Jedikatie | 14 Dec 2007, 11:02 Post #31 |
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I'm about a quarter of the way through the third book, and I think Sansa's fate is not going to be pretty... I have a feeling that she's not going to like her new dress very much when she does get it, 'cause I have the feeling it's a funeral dress if anything. I sincerely doubt that Cersei (or Lord Tywin) will let Sansa go off and marry Margery's brother, not with Sansa being the only other heir to Winterfell still known to be alive by the majority of people in the Seven Kingdoms. That would be suicide for the Lannisters--to have Sansa married to a lord in the southlands, and (should something happen to Robb) the northmen would be hers (and her husband's) to command, leaving the Lannisters in the middle... |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 14 Dec 2007, 15:59 Post #32 |
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The main reason why she tries to hunt down Robert's bastards is that they physically resemble him so much, whereas Cersei's children do not, thus making it all the more obvious that Joffrey et al. aren't Robert's offspring at all, but a product of the incest between Jaime and Cersei Lannister. That's why Stannis wanted to (and succeeded) get his hands on Edric Storm, to parade him around. "Look at this bastard of Robert's. He looks more like a Baratheon than any of Cersei's children." This makes Stannis's claims legitimate. |
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| Jedikatie | 16 Dec 2007, 16:58 Post #33 |
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Oh my... I had a bad feeling about that bit a little past the middle of the third novel, when Grey Wind didn't like the guys who rode out from the castles. Especially when anyone who was the least "friendly" towards the Starks were "away from the castle" at the time of the wedding... very sad. I hope at least the one who was not inside made it out okay, but I'll guess I'll find out later if that happened... Only about a third of this book left to read now... |
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| Jedikatie | 17 Dec 2007, 12:57 Post #34 |
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Well, I ought to have this book finished tonight. Only a little over a hundred pages left to read... Took Sansa long enough to realize that she's a pawn in everyone else's plans. I think Tyrion is the only one who's actually done anything nice for her (though he does have his own reasons for doing so). And I wonder how long Lysa's been planning that, or if it was Petyr who suggested it to her... |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 17 Dec 2007, 16:53 Post #35 |
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OK, now you've officially overtaken me, JK! :read: It doesn't help me that this will be a rather hectic work week for me. Scarcely time to read a lot... |
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| Rigil Kent | 17 Dec 2007, 16:55 Post #36 |
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And she's well on her way to eclipsing me. I've finished the third book, but just haven't been able to get started on the fourth one in like forever. (Mostly 'cause I'm interested more in sci-fi stuff right now than fantasy...) |
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| Jedikatie | 17 Dec 2007, 20:09 Post #37 |
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^ Well, I'm motivated to get the books done before Christmas, since I know I'm getting two more books then (one of which is over 500 pages long) so I can get those out of the way before the busy season in January at work comes around again. Promise I won't ruin the next book in the series for you guys... |
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| Jedikatie | 18 Dec 2007, 07:43 Post #38 |
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Well I finished the third book last night. Got to say, I didn't expect that ending... So, everyone thinks that all the Stark kids are dead (except the two girls, though the Lannisters are just playing like they know Arya's still alive--they likely think she's dead as well) and the only remaining son of Ned Stark is Jon. I did feel sorry for Sam--it had to have been hard not to tell Jon that at least one of his brothers still lived. And I do wonder what's going to happen with Bran now. Somehow I think that the "one who must not be named" is either the guy Bran's with, or is someone that guy is taking him too, and we're going to end out with Bran and Jon on opposite sides, since Stannis and Melisandre are insisting that the Night Watch light nightfires now (and I presume that she at least intends for the Night Watch to take up her religion). I think that Maester Aemon knows that Stannis does not have Lightbringer, based on his question to Sam--which makes me wonder if he was the one who used to carry that sword and so would know what exactly its properties were... Oh and I think Daenerys is wrong about having been betrayed 3 times already--Jorah betrayed her for gold, not love. She counted his betrayal as being for both gold and love. Anyway, on to the next book... |
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| Jedikatie | 18 Dec 2007, 17:14 Post #39 |
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The fourth book starts off slow, with the first three chapters being people we've either only met in passing or (in one case) is the guard of someone we've only heard mentioned before. Kind of killed the momentum for me, and it took me most of the afternoon to get through those chapters. I know they're necessary, because they're setting up what's going to happen in this book, but still... Once I got to the fourth chapter, it definitely started to pick up, mostly because it was back into the thick of the events of the previous book... |
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| Rigil Kent | 18 Dec 2007, 17:20 Post #40 |
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I think that's been my problem with A Feast of Crows - getting over that "hump" in the beginning. Maybe after things settle down around here, I'll try to get back into these books. Means I'll probably have to start over though... Some months back, when I was attempting to get a buddy to give these a try, I called Martin the "Anti-Jordan" 'cause of his tendency to whack characters (which Jordan never really did in his WoT series...) |
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