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| Sarah Connor Chronicles; Pilot online (legally!) now | |
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| Topic Started: 5 Jan 2008, 19:26 (872 Views) | |
| Rigil Kent | 5 Jan 2008, 19:26 Post #1 |
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For those of you interested, the entire pilot of the coming Sarah Connor Chronicles is online now at Yahoo. I went ahead and watched it and was surprised at how tolerable it actually is, although I do hope it doesn't turn into a Terminator of the Week show. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 15 Jan 2008, 20:17 Post #2 |
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I couldn't watch it online. But since it aired just a few days ago, it is now available through "other means" and I have just watched it. I was also surprised that it wasn't that bad. OK, many times the plot, scenes and even lines, reminded me, as though they had ben more or less copied, of Terminator 2. But it was fairly enjoyable nontheless. They found a clever, albeit a bit convenient, way to put the rest of the story in 2007. That way neither Sarah or John would be too old. I still have trouble seeing Lena Headey as Sarah. To me Linda Hamilton will always be Sarah Connor, but I do realize she's much too old now. Pity they didn't make this show back in the early 90s. But I do like Summer Glau as the new good terminator. :drool: Nice bum too! :wink: :sassyhare: |
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| Jedikatie | 15 Jan 2008, 20:42 Post #3 |
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^ There was a story about the ratings for this show from Sunday this morning over at Sci Fi wire. Apparently it had the highest rating for any new show in 3 years... they didn't say how well it did in its regular Monday night time slot, however, without the big lead in from the NFL playoff game that aired immediately before the Sunday showing, though. Connor terminates the competition |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 15 Jan 2008, 21:20 Post #4 |
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Interesting! Although one may also wonder how much the lack of competition played, what with the writers' strike and everything. I also wonder how many episodes they had made before the strike. If they have a sufficient number then the strike may be over in time for them to make new ones, and the show will have survived because of the strike. It is of course entirely possible that it will survive on its own merits. It depends on if they can keep the quality up and not become too much of a terminator-of-the-week series that Rigil spoke about. Tomorrow I'll have to watch episode two, which I've also... ehum... "acquired". |
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| Jedikatie | 15 Jan 2008, 21:25 Post #5 |
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^ Well, according to another article over at Yahoo today, apparently four major studios have cancelled contracts with the writers for stuff in development, which may mean the rest of this season will be lost. And since this is the time that they work on the pilots and stuff for next year, the strike could very well have an effect on next season's shows as well. |
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| Rigil Kent | 15 Jan 2008, 21:34 Post #6 |
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Having watched the second episode, I noticed a couple of things. First, the timejump in the pilot effectively invalidates Terminator 3 (which, frankly, doesn't bother me too terribly) while keeping the reason Sarah wasn't in T3 intact. It'll be interesting if they keep this subplot about her mortality (which I desperately hope they do, as opposed to the technobabble solution BSG came up with for Roslin). Second, we've only seen two non-friendly terminators, and the one that got FUBARed at the end of the pilot is still around. If they keep it low-key (i.e., the Heroes constantly on the run from those terminators), I'll be satisfied since I loath the idea of terminator-of-the-week. Third, when Cameron fought the new terminator and we saw what he (it?) saw, I noticed that it identified her as an "unknown cyborg", which implies that she's a much different model. Fourth, I appreciated that they had John display some HTH skill. It's something that always seemed lacking in T2 and T3, since he is supposed to be the super bad ass of the future and all. Finally, on the negative side, why is it that Cameron went from perfectly emulating a flirty high school girl to cold dead robot? I get that it's to play up the fact that she's a terminator as well, but there's a logic problem with that. I am curious, though, about Cameron's relationship with Future!John. There seemed to be a couple implications that she may have been more than just another robot to him ... although I may just be inferring that, based on what I know to be the standard template Hollywood uses for their stuff. |
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| Chris | 16 Jan 2008, 17:15 Post #7 |
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I enjoyed both episodes. I agree that Linda Hamilton will always be "Sarah Connor", but I think Heady does well in the role. Also hope that this doesn't become a Terminator of the Week show either. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 16 Jan 2008, 20:05 Post #8 |
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Well, I've seen the second episode and I'm still liking the show. I also noticed how it invalidates T3, and that's also fine by me, and by most fans I gather. Besides, there could be no Sarah Connor Chronicles without, you know, Sarah Connor. And I have a theory about Cameron. When Sarah asked her if the resistance fighters (that turned out to have been killed) knew her, Cameron answered: "They've seen me before". That's not a direct yes. So I think they did see her before, when she was all human and Future John's girlfriend. But then she got killed or severely injured and was transformed into a terminator. Or parts of her consciousness were transformed into a terminator modelled after her appearance. And speaking of Cameron, isn't her name an homage to Jim Cameron, the director of T2? Oh, I found this poster online. Isn't that a total rip-off of the Borg Queen from First Contact? |
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| Chris | 17 Jan 2008, 20:01 Post #9 |
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That's the first thing I thought of too KTR. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 19 Jan 2008, 20:46 Post #10 |
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OK, so I watched Terminator 3 tonight, in order to compare it with this new series (TSCC). And frankly they don't gel. T1 took place in 1984. T2 in 1995 (even if it was filmed in '91). And T3 took place in 2003. Judgement Day was postponed until 2003, as per the ending of T3. And in this new TV series Sarah and John are transported from 1999 to 2007. But in the T3 movie the death of Sarah (from leukemia) happened already in 1997. We see that date on her tombstone. And before that it is said that she struggled with her disease for three years, making the original discovery of it 1994, which is quite impossible since that's even before T2. So that contradicts both T2 and TSCC. And how does both general Brewster and his daughter Kate (the future Mrs John Connor) fit into this? Did he still create Skynet and will John and Kate hook up? And if the general was involved, there'd be nothing to stop him from bringing Skynet online in 2003, since John would have been removed from the timeline four years prior, and thus nothing would stop Judgement Day anyway, making the arrival of John, Sarah and Cameron in a 2007 where no Judgement Day had happened impossible. I'm putting aside the question raised by T3 as to why and how Skynet was created despite what happened in T2. Am I making any sense? Maybe I should watch the first episodes again? Perhaps some of it was explained there? :shrug: |
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| Rigil Kent | 19 Jan 2008, 20:48 Post #11 |
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They (the producers of the Sarah Connor show) have already said that they're ignoring T3 so it's not really a factor. |
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| Chris | 19 Jan 2008, 21:01 Post #12 |
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Good, cause that movie was crap. :yuck: |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 19 Jan 2008, 21:06 Post #13 |
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Well, I thought they would keep the T3 movie canon intact, but in a different timeline. Hence one of the reasons they made the timejump from '99 to '07 in TSCC. While that might invalidate the death of Sarah Connor (if we ignore the death date of 1997 as a mistake by the prop department), it wouldn't invalidate the Brewsters. But if they're ignoring it completely, they wouldn't need to address Sarah's disease. However they plan on keeping that. Oh, and I checked the pilot episode. The new Judgement Day for TSCC is in 2011. |
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| Rigil Kent | 19 Jan 2008, 21:13 Post #14 |
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I suspect that they are planning on completely ignoring T3 and then incorporating any elements from that movie that they happen to like. Some of the stuff in T3 simply makes no sense ... but then, I'm generally in the minority as I didn't find T2 all that great either... Just to add even more confusion, there are plans for a fourth Terminator movie set during Adult!John's timeline with Christian Bale playing Connor. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 19 Jan 2008, 21:26 Post #15 |
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Well, I didn't care much for T3 either. However, I do think they should've made an effort at invalidating the events depicted therein, and not just ignore it. A fourth movie! Post-Judgement Day? Dear Lord... Temporal mechanics gives me a headache! :banghead: |
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| Chris | 19 Jan 2008, 21:28 Post #16 |
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I saw that too. Looks like they're going to get every last cent out of the franchise that they can, no matter crap they put out. Kind of like what they did to Aliens. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 22 Jan 2008, 17:39 Post #17 |
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So, did anyone see episode three? It was pretty good, even if it didn't have much action. But then again I don't think they can have terminator fight scenes in every episode. That would get repetitive. I am a bit worried about it becoming too much of high school drama, as John and the Cameronator tries to fit in. That would suck. But the skin-growing terminator thing was really creepy (as in good creepy). Oh, and I wonder about Cameron's eyes. All other terminators have had red ones (well, not the T-X from T3, she also had blue). Is that a sign that she's a different kind of cyborg. Or just a visual aid that she's one of the good guys (but Arnie had red ones in T2 and T3). Or, given that T-X also had blue eyes, is that just for female terminators? I'm probably overthinking this way too much... :wacko: |
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| Rigil Kent | 22 Jan 2008, 17:51 Post #18 |
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Yeah, probably. :rasberry: Did you catch the reference to Arnold & T2? |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 22 Jan 2008, 18:37 Post #19 |
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Um, no? :huh: |
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| Rigil Kent | 22 Jan 2008, 18:39 Post #20 |
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Dyson's widow asked Sarah if the "machine" was still with her. When Sarah said "yeah, she's still around", the other woman commented "No, the other one" and Sarah stated that he was gone. I thought it was a nice little touch... So far, they've managed to avoid the Terminator-of-the-week, and I'm happy about that. Since this is Fox, though, I keep expecting them to cancel it before 6 episodes... |
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