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| Topic Started: 19 Jan 2008, 17:16 (608 Views) | |
| tennisgirl | 22 Jan 2008, 17:41 Post #21 |
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Severed Dreams!!! Hehehe, gotta love Delenn making Clark's ships turn around... "he is behind me. You are in front of me..." Man, good episode. :) |
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| Captain X | 22 Jan 2008, 19:36 Post #22 |
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Anyone else find the sleeper agent thing with Talia rather ... contrived? And why the hell did they let her go? |
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| Rigil Kent | 22 Jan 2008, 20:00 Post #23 |
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Again, I think that there was a lot of subplot that had to go by the wayside for space reasons. As to why they let her go, they had no choice. She was a telepath and the PsiCorps has final jurisdiction in regards to tepes. |
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| Captain X | 22 Jan 2008, 20:33 Post #24 |
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They should've fragged her. Talia was already dead anyway for all intents and purposes. |
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| Rigil Kent | 22 Jan 2008, 20:38 Post #25 |
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In which case, they would have broken the law and the PsiCorps would have no doubt pressed to have them prosecuted. They really didn't have that option. |
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| Captain X | 22 Jan 2008, 21:24 Post #26 |
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She could've had a little ... "accident" :empire: :eviltbbs: |
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| Rigil Kent | 22 Jan 2008, 21:26 Post #27 |
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Uh ... that would be wildly OOC for all of the main characters, dude. What you're suggesting is premeditated murder. |
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| Captain X | 22 Jan 2008, 21:29 Post #28 |
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Or self-defense if you think about it. Or even justice, considering that spacing someone was an actual on-the-books punishment for a traitor. There was also that wild shot she fired and only just missed Serridan. I don't know about you, but I don't take kindly to someone trying to kill me and then being asked to just let them loose to possibly try it again. :shrug: But that's just me. ;) |
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| Rigil Kent | 22 Jan 2008, 22:07 Post #29 |
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Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I can't see any of the characters taking an action like that and remaining sympathetic characters. Who the hell is "Serridan"? Do you mean Sheridan? |
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| Reanok | 23 Jan 2008, 10:51 Post #30 |
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I wish Garibaldi had got to get even with Bester for using the telepathic brain washing he suffred at Besters hands.I read the Babylon 5 novel where got his revenge but it would've been nice to seen it on screen. And Severed Dreams is one of Babylon 5 best eppsodes along with the episode where Ivanova was in battle with the earth ships with Shadow technology and she was severly wounded. |
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| Captain X | 23 Jan 2008, 12:14 Post #31 |
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I thought the way they handled Ivanova/Talia was a refreshing change from the exhibition that would probably have been done today. My only real grip there is that I thought it would've been more meaningful if we'd known it was happening for longer than what ended up being. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 23 Jan 2008, 15:26 Post #32 |
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I never cared for the Talia/Ivanova thing. It came out of left field and served no real purpose. It would have been better if we ahd been shown the slow progression of their friendship from Ivanova's initial distrust. As far as I recall, we never saw much of that, or them interacting much. |
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| tennisgirl | 23 Jan 2008, 18:55 Post #33 |
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When I first watched B5 it wasn't in the original English, so when Ivanova talked about her and Talia, people started saying it might be a translation problem. We weren't online then, so... When I finally watched it in Eglish, yup, no translation problem there, alright... |
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| Reanok | 24 Jan 2008, 10:38 Post #34 |
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I didn't really care for the Ivanova storyline with Talia Winters. I guess I just didn't really care about her character very much or maybe the actress. I didn't like her obnoxious Admiral character in season 1 of Jag either. |
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| Rigil Kent | 24 Jan 2008, 13:51 Post #35 |
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I would have been fine with the Ivanova/Winters "subplot" if it had actually been a subplot instead of coming out of left field (ala the nonsensical "tension" BS in ANIS). Because it came out of nowhere, it simply caused me to go "Huh?" and that's never a good thing. |
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| Captain X | 24 Jan 2008, 14:40 Post #36 |
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Yeah, the only build they had beforehand was Talia showing up one night with a bottle of wine and two glasses. What Iw as talking about was more that they didn't explicitly state that the two had really done anything, and that it was tasteful compared to the lesbian love scene we would probably get in most other shows today. Hell, even DS9 had to show the two female characters making out. |
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| Rigil Kent | 24 Jan 2008, 17:09 Post #37 |
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Ah. Now that, I can entirely agree with. But then, JMS did a lot of things that I really liked, including his take on religion which was surprisingly not offensive, despite the fact that he's an avowed atheist. The same cannot be said for modern Trek with the Bajoran stuff being a clear exception... |
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| Captain X | 24 Jan 2008, 17:18 Post #38 |
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I think the difference there is the kind of atheist. JMS obviously wasn't the kind who thought his views so superior that he looked down on all others. He also tried a lot harder to make the crew more diverse and religion was part of that. Roddenberry was different, and so was Braga for that matter, if you remember that statement he gave a while back at some big atheist convention. Berman I don't know about, but it wouldn't surprise me. |
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| Captain X | 24 Jan 2008, 18:40 Post #39 |
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Egad, Troi managed to make her way onto B5. :yuck: How appropriate it's just as things are going to hell... |
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| Captain X | 24 Jan 2008, 21:21 Post #40 |
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Is it odd that I liked the regular Earth Alliance uniforms over the redesigned ones? |
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