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Misc Star Wars questions
Topic Started: 23 Feb 2008, 14:24 (1,400 Views)
Kevin Thomas Riley	23 Feb 2008, 14:24 Post #1
High Acolyte in the Church of T'Pol Worship Posts: 7,655 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Since the SW fanfic redommendations thread got a little sidetracked I thought I'd continue here in a new thread instead. So, I have a question about the Sith. We never really learn that much about them in the movies and I figure that they're dealt with more in depth in pre-prequels, EU, games and assorted fanon. What I wonder is how they managed to survive for so long during the long years of the Old Republic. Presumably Palpatine had a Master (Plagius or some such). Who was he and what Master did he have, and what Master did he have etc. going all the way back... Also, the Jedi were numerous. They had an Academy. Why didn't Palps set up an Sith Academy or something after he had assumed power? With more Siths to go around besides him and Vader, it would've been easier to control the Empire. But maybe he and Vader was afraid of being offed by new Siths? Still, why didn't Vader take on an apprentice? Did he wait and hope for Luke to be that apprentice? And since Vader himself wasn't really an apprentice anymore, why didn't Palps take on a new apprentice? Perhaps they did. I dunno, I never read the EU. And another thing, why was every Sith called "Darth"? What does that mean?



Rigil Kent	23 Feb 2008, 14:53 Post #2
Moderately Evil (but Depressed) Mastermind Posts: 7,486 Group: Co-Admin Member #4 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Wrath of Khan Favorite SciFi series Star Wars (OT, not the prequels), Farscape, Bab5, s1 of nuBSG	Well, I'm the man to answer your questions. Wookiepedia is an excellent resource for many of these... Kevin Thomas Riley Feb 23 2008, 04:24 PM So, I have a question about the Sith. We never really learn that much about them in the movies and I figure that they're dealt with more in depth in pre-prequels, EU, games and assorted fanon. What I wonder is how they managed to survive for so long during the long years of the Old Republic. A thousand years before EpI was the Battle of Ruusan wherein the Sith Order (a bunch of Sith Lords and Apprentices) fought a major war with the Jedi Order. The exact nature of the battle is pretty ridiculous (the Sith Lord in charge had developed some nonsense called the Thought Bomb), but it resulted in all of the Sith being wiped out with the exception of Darth Bane. Realizing that the over-the-top villainy of the Sith Order was self-destructive, he revolutionized the Sith Order and instituted the Rule of Two, which establishes that there can only be two Sith at a time, a Master and an Apprentice. To become the Master, the Apprentice must kill the Master. Bane's Sith Order then adopted a long view approach and thus, remained in the shadows. At some point, the Jedi clearly became aware of the surviving Sith (because how else would Yoda know about the Rule of Two?) but they presumably believed that the Sith were extinct by the time of TPM. Quote: Presumably Palpatine had a Master (Plagius or some such). Who was he and what Master did he have, and what Master did he have etc. going all the way back... Darth Plagueis was a Munn. Here you can find out what is known about him. Quote: Also, the Jedi were numerous. They had an Academy. Why didn't Palps set up an Sith Academy or something after he had assumed power? With more Siths to go around besides him and Vader, it would've been easier to control the Empire. But maybe he and Vader was afraid of being offed by new Siths? The Rule of Two was instituted by Darth Bane because of the self-destructive nature of the Sith. The job of the Apprentice was to learn from the Master and ultimately displace him. Thus, if there were more Sith Lords, then Palpatine would be having to worry about them killing him as well. Palpatine did have a number of Dark Jedi working for him after he made himself Emperor, though they weren't Sith Lords. The exact nature of the difference between a Dark Jedi and a Sith Lord isn't exactly clear, though. Quote: Still, why didn't Vader take on an apprentice? He did. The upcoming game The Force Unleashed revolves around Vader's secret Apprentice. Vader also trained Lumiya, a Force-sensitive assassin similar to Mara Jade in a lot of aspects. In the most recent EU books, Lumiya had established herself as the new Dark Lady of the Sith. But, due to the Rule of Two, he couldn't take on an official Apprentice until he had displaced the Sith Master... Quote: And since Vader himself wasn't really an apprentice anymore, why didn't Palps take on a new apprentice? Technically, he was still the Apprentice. The Sith Order isn't exactly like the Jedi in that regard. Quote: And another thing, why was every Sith called "Darth"? What does that mean? Unknown. It's a title of some sort, and many fans believe it's a shortened version of DARk lord of the siTH. In the Knights of the Old Republic video game, there's an implication that it is actually a corruption of the Rakatan word Daritha, meaning "emperor."



Jedikatie	23 Feb 2008, 15:03 Post #3
Moderate you, I will... Posts: 9,846 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	Well, I can't answer all of that, but I can quote you what Palpatine told Anakin in Revenge of the Sith, p. 226-8 (I have the novelization in front of me): Quote: "This puts me in mind of an old legend," Palpatine murmured icily. "Anakin--are you familiar with The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?" Anakin shook his head. "Ah, I thought not. It is not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend, of a Dark Lord who had turned his sight inward so deeply that he had come to comprehend, and master, life itself. And--because the two are one, when seen clearly enough--death itself." Anakin sat up. Was he actually hearing this? "He could keep someone safe from death?" "According to the legend," Palpatine said, "he could directly influence the midi-chlorians to create life; with such knowledge, to maintain life in someone already living would seem a small matter, don't you agree?" A universe of possibility blossomed inside Anakin's head. He murmured, "Stronger than death..." "The dark side seems to be--from my reading--the pathway to many abilities some would consider unnatural." Anakin couldn't seem to get his breath. "What happened to him?" "Oh, well, it is a tragedy, after all, you know. Once he has gained this ultimate power, he has nothing to fear save losing it--that's why the Jedi Council brought him to mind, you know." "But what happened?" "Well, to safeguard his power's existence, he teaches the path toward it to his apprentice." "And?" "And his apprentice kills him in his sleep," Palpatine said with a careless shrug. "Plageuis never sees it coming. That's the tragic irony, you see: he can save anyone in the galaxy from death--except himself." "What about the apprentice? What happens to him?" "Oh, him. He goes on to become the greatest Dark Lord the Sith have ever known..." "So," Anakin murmured, "it's only a tragedy for Plagueis--for the apprentice, the legend has a happy ending..." "Oh, well, yes. Quite right. I'd never really thought of it that way--rather like what we were talking about earlier, isn't it?" "What if," Anakin said slowly, almost not daring to speak the words, "it's not just a legend?" "I'm sorry?" "What if Darth Plagueis really lived--what if someoen really had this power?" "Oh, I am... rather certain... that Plagueis did indeed exist. And if someone actually had this power--well, he would indeed be one of the most powerful men in the galaxy, not to mention virtually immortal..."



Captain X	23 Feb 2008, 15:12 Post #4
"Vice" Admiral Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #13 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series DS9 Favorite SciFi series Firefly, nuBSG	That had to be one of the most eye-roll inducing scenes in that whole movie because of how blunt and straightforward it make Anakin's conversion to the dark side. Especially when compared to Luke's near conversion.



Jedikatie	23 Feb 2008, 15:17 Post #5
Moderate you, I will... Posts: 9,846 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	^ Maybe so, but only an idiot (oh wait, this is prequel Anakin, never mind) wouldn't pick up on the fact that if it's a Sith legend, then how exactly does Palpatine know it and why exactly would he be so... certain... that Darth Plagueis existed, unless he knew him? Anakin must've had blinders the size of Texas on to miss those rather obvious clues... But anyway, it does tell a bit about Darth Plagueis, which was part of what KTR was asking above...



Kevin Thomas Riley	23 Feb 2008, 15:21 Post #6
High Acolyte in the Church of T'Pol Worship Posts: 7,655 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Ah, thanks for the detailed explanations, everyone! :) Rule of Two, eh! Considering that eventually an Apprentice is supposed to kill his Master, one would think Masters would be reluctant to take on apprentices. For that matter, Palps must have realized that Vader would eventually turn on him. After all, Vader did say to Luke in TESB that they could destroy the Emperor and rule the galaxy as father and son.



Rigil Kent	23 Feb 2008, 15:30 Post #7
Moderately Evil (but Depressed) Mastermind Posts: 7,486 Group: Co-Admin Member #4 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Wrath of Khan Favorite SciFi series Star Wars (OT, not the prequels), Farscape, Bab5, s1 of nuBSG	^^ Absolutely he did. It seems pretty obvious that Palpatine wanted to replace Anakin with Luke in ROTJ, which makes since as Vader is pretty messed up and probably lost a lot of his ability after Mustafar. In fact, it seems safe to say that both of them intended to use Luke against the other one. Thus is the nature of the Sith... Captain X Feb 23 2008, 05:12 PM That had to be one of the most eye-roll inducing scenes in that whole movie because of how blunt and straightforward it make Anakin's conversion to the dark side. Especially when compared to Luke's near conversion. Granted, but I really liked Ian McDiarmid's expression when he reveals that Plagueis was murdered by his apprentice. For some reason, that just cracks me up. One of the major weaknesses with the Prequels is Anakin's so-called slide into Darkness. Frankly, if you compare what he goes through with what Luke goes through in the OT, it makes Anakin look like a whiny loser. I can totally buy that Luke gives into despair at the end of Return of the Jedi based on what's happening to him, but Anakin ... gah. He just seems to Turn 'cause of a bad dream.



Rigil Kent	23 Feb 2008, 16:42 Post #8
Moderately Evil (but Depressed) Mastermind Posts: 7,486 Group: Co-Admin Member #4 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Wrath of Khan Favorite SciFi series Star Wars (OT, not the prequels), Farscape, Bab5, s1 of nuBSG	This seems like a good place for this. What are your favorite visuals from each of the movies? You know, that moment you remember the most from the movie? Below are mine and my reasons. Episode I: The Phantom Menace Posted Image Say what you want about this movie (and I admit, it did kind of stink for the most part), Darth Maul was a visually striking character. When the door opened and he stood there posing, I had to think "Coooool." Even if he died in a ridiculously-contrived manner. Episode II: Attack of the Clones It's a tie... Posted Image or Posted Image Seeing more than three lightsabers in the same scene simply rocked and I loved seeing the clonetroopers (even if they were all CGI.) Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Posted Image No question about it. Even if the rest of the movie was hit and miss, this visual was awesome and actually surpassed some of my mental images of the Purges. Pity Anakin was a whiny loser though... Episode IV: A New Hope Posted Image That opening sequence ... man. Right away, even at 6 years old, I knew I was seeing something awesome. Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back Only one?! Uh ... okay... Posted Image "No ... I am your father!" 'nuff said. Episode VI: Return of the Jedi Posted Image Couldn't find the shots I really wanted, but you get the point. This was the space battle that set the bar for all other space battles ... you know this to be true! So? What are yours?



Jedikatie	23 Feb 2008, 17:10 Post #9
Moderate you, I will... Posts: 9,846 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	Hmmm... decisions, decisions... I think I'm going to look around and see if I can find visuals of the ones I like best online, 'cause I don't feel like warming up my laptop to take screencaps off the DVDs... I do agree with the Anakin and stormtroopers entering the Jedi temple picture above--that was an awesome scene. I could really, truly believe Anakin had fallen at that point... As for the rest, I'll get back to you...



Jedikatie	23 Feb 2008, 17:38 Post #10
Moderate you, I will... Posts: 9,846 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	While I was looking around for screencaps to answer Rigil's question, I came across this neat map of the Star Wars universe on a site. You're not supposed to hotlink to the map (which I can understand totally), but this is a link to the page that you can access it from: Star Wars universe map Be sure and click on it to see the different regions highlighted... (ie, Core Worlds, Inner Rim, etc.)



Kevin Thomas Riley	23 Feb 2008, 18:04 Post #11
High Acolyte in the Church of T'Pol Worship Posts: 7,655 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	I had another thought about the Rule of Two. While I can see the reasons for it, it also makes the Sith very vulnerable. I mean there are only two of them at any given time and accidents happen. They can fall down a volcano, get sucked into a black hole, get hit by an asteroid... well, you get the idea... and then, suddenly, their whole lot becomes extinct. *** As to favourite visuals, I'm not sure. TPM I can't really think of a scene that stands out there. AotC I'll have to go with the ending, with Palps looking over the marching Clone Troopers (the pic posted abovethread). RotS Gah, I've seen this one so few times that I can't really pick one out. But the battle in the beginning, with the pseudo-Star Destroyer crashing, is a good one. ANH Have to agree with Rigil** on this one. I too was blown away as a nine year old kid seeing the opening sequence. TESB While the father revelation scene was great, I think I'll go with the asteroid chase, followed by Yoda raising Luke's X-wing from the swamp. RotJ When we first got a real good look at the Emperor, when Vader brought Luke to him, and all subsequent scenes in the Throne Room.



Rigil Kent	23 Feb 2008, 18:36 Post #12
Moderately Evil (but Depressed) Mastermind Posts: 7,486 Group: Co-Admin Member #4 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Wrath of Khan Favorite SciFi series Star Wars (OT, not the prequels), Farscape, Bab5, s1 of nuBSG	Kevin Thomas Riley Feb 23 2008, 08:04 PM I had another thought about the Rule of Two. While I can see the reasons for it, it also makes the Sith very vulnerable. The sheer number of Jedi (prior to Revenge of the Sith, of course) make them vulnerable. A small group (in this case, two) is much easier to conceal than a larger group. That said, I'd actually be surprised if there weren't multiple apprentice Apprentices, all waiting for their opportunity to become the Apprentice. I think that EU stuff has Palpatine beginning to train Maul as his official apprentice before Palpy bumps off Plagueis, so... Quote: I'll have to go with the ending, with Palps looking over the marching Clone Troopers (the pic posted abovethread). Actually, I think the pic I posted was on Kamino when Obi-Wan was seeing the clones for the first time. I tried to find a good image of that shot with Palpatine looking down over the troopers (the one with Bail Organa punching the rail in disgusted sadness, right?) with the Acclamator-class Troopships and the pseudo-walkers ... but I couldn't find one. :worried:



Jedikatie	23 Feb 2008, 18:39 Post #13
Moderate you, I will... Posts: 9,846 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: 25 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Enterprise or DS9, depending on my mood Favorite SciFi series Farscape and Eureka	It is hard to find screencaps online... I'm sorely tempted (at least with the original trilogy, I don't have the prequels) to break out my DVDs and grab the ones from it. Though I suppose I could just find that music DVD from the Revenge of the Sith soundtrack... I think it might have the ones I want...



Rigil Kent	23 Feb 2008, 18:41 Post #14
Moderately Evil (but Depressed) Mastermind Posts: 7,486 Group: Co-Admin Member #4 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Wrath of Khan Favorite SciFi series Star Wars (OT, not the prequels), Farscape, Bab5, s1 of nuBSG	Well, I own all 6 on DVD so if there's a certain screencap you need, let me know. I was just too lazy to go get my AOTC DVD for the image...



Kevin Thomas Riley	23 Feb 2008, 18:53 Post #15
High Acolyte in the Church of T'Pol Worship Posts: 7,655 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Rigil Kent Feb 24 2008, 02:36 AM Actually, I think the pic I posted was on Kamino when Obi-Wan was seeing the clones for the first time. I tried to find a good image of that shot with Palpatine looking down over the troopers (the one with Bail Organa punching the rail in disgusted sadness, right?) with the Acclamator-class Troopships and the pseudo-walkers ... but I couldn't find one. :worried: Yeah, I meant the one with Bail Organa. But the Kamino one is pretty cool too. As far as the lack of online pics, I have to assume that Lucas has been keeping busy enforcing (pardon the pun) his copyrights. :worried:



Kevin Thomas Riley	23 Feb 2008, 19:03 Post #16
High Acolyte in the Church of T'Pol Worship Posts: 7,655 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Ok, I found this luring on my harddrive. ETA: And I've found this and this screencap (from here).



Kevin Thomas Riley	23 Feb 2008, 21:55 Post #17
High Acolyte in the Church of T'Pol Worship Posts: 7,655 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Check out my new banner sig! :eviltbbs:



Rigil Kent	23 Feb 2008, 21:58 Post #18
Moderately Evil (but Depressed) Mastermind Posts: 7,486 Group: Co-Admin Member #4 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series Wrath of Khan Favorite SciFi series Star Wars (OT, not the prequels), Farscape, Bab5, s1 of nuBSG	Heh. Why vote for a Lesser Evil?



Kevin Thomas Riley	23 Feb 2008, 22:25 Post #19
High Acolyte in the Church of T'Pol Worship Posts: 7,655 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Exactly! Although, there probably are some Sauron/Saruman voters out there!



Kevin Thomas Riley	25 Feb 2008, 16:24 Post #20
High Acolyte in the Church of T'Pol Worship Posts: 7,655 Group: Member Member #7 Joined: 19 March 2006 Favorite Trek Series TOS, ENT, DS9 Favorite SciFi series Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, Farscape	Well, after all this Star Wars talk, I figured I had to get the prequel DVDs. But since they're so scarce nowadays I had to track down some Region 1 (U.S.) versions. But I've now placed an order for all of them. I haven't seen RotS since it was in theatres. Oddly enough, I decided to order the original three Flash Gordon serials as well. You know, the old b/w ones with Buster Crabbe.



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