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| Topic Started: 23 Feb 2008, 14:24 (1,433 Views) | |
| Jedikatie | 25 Feb 2008, 16:26 Post #21 |
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^ Well, you'll be one up on me, KTR. I still haven't bought the prequel trilogy on DVD. I only bought the original trilogy on DVD after they put the original, unaltered versions on it, since I really don't much care for some of the additions that George keeps sticking into the original trilogy... |
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| Rigil Kent | 25 Feb 2008, 16:32 Post #22 |
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Although I own the expanded versions of the OT, I have considered purchasing the original, unaltered versions and then making my own DVDs where Han shoots first and the Escape from Bespin scene isn't fraked up with that "Inform my star destroyer of my arrival" crap. Dammit, I liked Vader's pissed off "Bring my shuttle" comment! Grrrr... At least the expanded ROTJ has a better ending (excepting the BS with Young!Anakin showing up) than the original one. I hate that Yub Yub song. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 25 Feb 2008, 16:38 Post #23 |
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I have been waiting for a boxed set of all prequel movies for a while, but that never seems to arrive. So I decided to get them individually now. I probably wouldn't if these past weeks discussions hadn't peeked my interest. And they were fairly inexpensive (I used my trusted old Danish retailer that got me Space: 1999, Earth2 and Buck Rogers in the 25th Century). As far as the unaltered OT, I've been holding out on that one. I really hate that Lucas didn't bother to make them anamorphic. At least I've got them as VHS I purchased back in 1995 or so. |
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| Jedikatie | 25 Feb 2008, 16:42 Post #24 |
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I grant you, the ending to RotJ is better, except of course for the replacing of old Anakin with young Anakin as the Force ghost, like you said. But I loathe most of the changes that George made. It's one thing to add in buildings and people to the Mos Eisley scene so that appears like a most bustling spaceport city than it did in the original movie or if the movie has aged badly, to restore it so that looks as good as it originally did... it's another thing entirely to change (like you said) whether or not Han shoots first or sticking in that bit with Jabba or whatever... I haven't watched to see what else he changed when he released them on the DVDs from the original version, I just know what he changed as far as the 1997 rerelease versions, mind... |
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| Captain X | 25 Feb 2008, 16:45 Post #25 |
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How did it end differently? |
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| Rigil Kent | 25 Feb 2008, 16:49 Post #26 |
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^^ As the camera pans up from Vader's burning body, there is a wipe to a bunch of other locations celebrating Palpatine's death. Naboo, Mos Eisley, Cloud City, and Coruscant, I believe. And the music was different (better) too. In ANH, the only things that I really remember being changed (apart from the updating of some FX and the stupid as hell Greedo shooting first BS) is two scenes being inserted: the Jabba one you spoke of and one where Luke meets up with Biggs before the Battle of Yavin and Red Leader has a brief convo with him. That scene would have been better, IMO, if they had kept the original line where Red Leader says something about Luke doing okay if he's half the pilot his father was. I think ESB was the least changed (apart from updated FX on Cloud City). They actually showed the wampa this time, and then, of course, they also had Ian McDiarmid reshoot the Emperor hologram scene, replacing the atrocious one from the original. Then, of course, they fraked up the Escape from Bespin scene by inserting totally gratuitous and unnecessary shots of Vader's shuttle. The absurd song scene in ROTJ causes my teeth to hurt, but it's really the only major change apart from the expanded ending. Posted Image |
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| Jedikatie | 25 Feb 2008, 16:51 Post #27 |
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Instead of the Ewoks singing their "Yub Yub" song to celebrate the Rebels destroying the second Death Star, it showed people celebrating on different planets all across the Star Wars universe (including Coruscant) the victory and the death of the Emperor. And the image of young Anakin (Hayden Christensen) replaced the image of the guy who actually played Anakin Skywalker in RotJ when Anakin became a force ghost alongside Obi-Wan and Yoda watching the festivites on Endor. |
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| Rigil Kent | 25 Feb 2008, 16:53 Post #28 |
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Sebastian Shaw is the guy who played Old!Anakin. And they did do a couple of digital adjustments to him also - his eye color was changed to better match that of Hayden Christensen's and I think they removed his eyebrows. It's been a while since I've watched ROTJ so I'm not 100% ... |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 25 Feb 2008, 17:05 Post #29 |
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There were other cut footage from the original Star Wars (ANH) that somehow Lucas didn't see fit to include in his expanded version. Luckily, they can be seen on YouTube. Deleted scenes, part 1 Deleted scenes, part 2 Especially the early Biggs scenes should've been put in. That makes the meeting on Yavin more poignant. |
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| Rigil Kent | 25 Feb 2008, 17:08 Post #30 |
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Problem is, the earlier Biggs scenes do slow the movie down a bit. And while these deleted scenes are interesting, that opening crawl drags on waaaaaaay too long. ETA: I do find it kind of amusing at just how damned effective the stormtroopers are when they board the Tantative IV... |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 25 Feb 2008, 17:19 Post #31 |
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Then they should've ditched the extra Yavin scenes with Biggs as well. They make little sense anyway without meeting him earlier. And I guess I don't mind if they slow down the early portion a bit. It introduces us to the hero earlier and we see the kind of environment he's growing up in, and his yearning to be someplace else. Plus I think it's nifty that he spots the battle above. |
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| Rigil Kent | 25 Feb 2008, 17:22 Post #32 |
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You're looking at it after the fact, knowing that it's already going to be a success though. I totally understand why Lucas dropped them because they slowed down the pacing of the movie. But, in an ideal world, Lucas would restore these Luke on Tatooine scenes, ditch Greedo shooting at all, drop or redo the Jabba scene, and release them on a Super Duper Deluxe version. Sigh. Given his track record, that doesn't seem unlikely either. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 25 Feb 2008, 17:34 Post #33 |
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Of course I understand why he ditched them back in 1977. I was speaking of re-insetting them when he was doing his enhanced versions in the late 90s. But I remember as a kid being disappointed at not seeing stuff that was in both the comic and the novelization. And I even have a "photostory" book from back then that showed the actual footage from those deleted scenes, so I knew even back then that they existed. |
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| Captain X | 25 Feb 2008, 17:50 Post #34 |
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What's the deal with Beru's voice? Other than basic sound quality, I can't really tell the difference between them. |
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| Rigil Kent | 25 Feb 2008, 17:59 Post #35 |
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I didn't notice any major difference myself. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 26 Feb 2008, 15:36 Post #36 |
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One thing that bugs me about the prequels when seen in the light of the originals is the passage of time. It's only about 20 years between RotS and ANH, right (Luke's about 20)? That means Vader really isn't that old either if you go by the prequels. I mean, how old was Anakin when he turned? But especially Obi-Wan's age is striking. The Kenobi of ANH was a very old man, but he wasn't that old in RotS. Unless a 20 year exile on Tatooine really, really aged him. While there's no way to change the 20 year time span, I would have preferred if both Obi-Wan and Anakin had been older in the prequels, at least in RotS. |
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| Rigil Kent | 26 Feb 2008, 15:44 Post #37 |
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Anakin was 9 in TPM, 19 in AOTC, and 21 or 22 in ROTS. According to most things I've seen, Luke was 19 in ANH, which would make Vader around 40 or so. ESB was 3 years after ANH, and ROTJ was a year later, so, at the most, Anakin would have been 45 in ROTJ. I guess you could argue that life in the suit prematurely aged him... As to Kenobi, he is, according to the ROTS novelization, 16 years older than Anakin (which puts Obi-Wan at 25 in TPM and in his mid-50s in ANH.) Again, once could argue that hard living on Tatooine is responsible for his prematurely aging... But yeah, you've got a point that I can't really contest. That said, Ewan McGregor was still awesome as Young!Obi-Wan. And growing up, I always assumed that Anakin was Vader for a couple of years before he got put in the suit. That would be one of the changes I think I'd have made in the prequels ... have Anakin become Vader at the end of Episode II (where he faces his Moment of Doubt, but doesn't have the moral strength to resist it like Luke did at Bespin), and then advance the timeline a couple of years in Episode III to reflect the ongoing Purges. |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 26 Feb 2008, 16:02 Post #38 |
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I also assumed that growing up. Anakin was Vader outside the suit for a while and then he and Obi-Wan had a showdown that almost killed Vader and got him put into the suit. I even recall reading somewhere that Vader and Obi-Wan was supposed to fight on top of a volcano, and it would end with Vader falling into it, causing his injuries. That has obviously lead to the present Mustafar sequence. But then a lot of Lucas' early ideas did in some way get used in the prequels. I have an old issue of Starlog Magazine (a SW 10th anniversary issue or something) that has an interesting article that tells all about Lucas' original outlines and background for the original movies. A lot of names and concepts are brought up there that aren't used until the prequels (like padawan and Valorum). |
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| Rigil Kent | 26 Feb 2008, 16:19 Post #39 |
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Another misconception that I grew up with was that Padme would have been with him while he was Vader, and only went into hiding when she realized that she was pregnant. Yeah, it may be a bit dark, but can you imagine how Natalie could have portrayed Padme's growing fear of her husband fighting with her love over the man he used to be? Obviously, this is predicated on her having a good director, like Spielberg. I have this mental image of her contacting Kenobi (secretly, of course) or maybe Bail Organa and telling him "something terrible has happened" in reference to her being pregnant. Then, she goes on the run and the last half of the 3rd movie is centered on Vader trying to find her which culminates in him fighting Kenobi for the last time. And in regards to the lava stuff, I think I'd have gone a different route there. Have that be the opening saber duel, with Kenobi escaping and believing that Vader is dead, only to have him return in his suit midway through the movie. And in the final duel, I think I'd have Kenobi in one of those Assured Death situations (like clinging to a fraying rope or something) and have Vader walk away... Although, in retrospect, based on the conversation between Vader & Kenobi on the first Death Star, I always got the implication that Vader walked away from Kenobi (when he became the Sith Lord) and the two didn't see one another until that final duel. It would have been a fascinating and unexpected twist, I think, if the duel that resulted in Vader being in the suit wasn't between Kenobi & Anakin, but rather between Anakin and someone else. Nothing in Original Trilogy canon contradicts that, and it could have been quite interesting if Kenobi was smuggling Padme to safety while Vader was fighting ... I dunno ... Mace Windu or something. Random thoughts... |
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| Kevin Thomas Riley | 26 Feb 2008, 17:08 Post #40 |
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^ That's actually pretty good. Maybe Windu could be the one to disfigure Vader, while Kenobi smuggles pregnant Padmé away. Then suited Vader makes a surprise comeback and fights Kenobi in the end, and with that "walk away" scenario. |
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